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autosurgeon wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
lil_freak_66 wrote:
you could make a super shorty for less than that id think.
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AOW origination stamp costs $200.
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Yep the transfer stamp is only 5.00 but 200.00 of the price is the cost of legally manufacturing it.
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Manufacturers don't pay the origination stamp.

It's basically a tax for the end user to prevent them from making their own, allowing the manufacturers to basically get free bonus profit by upcharging for their product by $200.
 
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choover wrote:
I don't think there is any way to legally carry a AOW is there?
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How do you mean? Many AOWs are considered pistols in MI, and thus subject to the same laws as pistols in MI (Registration, able to carry concealed, etc.).
 
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SpringerXDacp wrote:
choover wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
choover wrote:
I don't think there is any way to legally carry a AOW is there?
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How do you mean? Many AOWs are considered pistols in MI, and thus subject to the same laws as pistols in MI (Registration, able to carry concealed, etc.).
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where does the super shorty fall?
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AOW

http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php
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The Super Shorty is considered to be a Pistol in MI, and an AOW federally. As long as you acquire it legally federally ($5 AOW tax stamp, register with local sheriff/police chief as required by Fed. Law), and register it with the State (Form RI-060 for CPL holders, normal pistol registration for non-CPL holders), you can carry it loaded on your person, openly or concealed, as well as in your vehicle.
 
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zigziggityzoo wrote:
SpringerXDacp wrote:
choover wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
choover wrote:
I don't think there is any way to legally carry a AOW is there?
Click to expand...

How do you mean? Many AOWs are considered pistols in MI, and thus subject to the same laws as pistols in MI (Registration, able to carry concealed, etc.).
Click to expand...

where does the super shorty fall?
Click to expand...

AOW

http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php
Click to expand...

The Super Shorty is considered to be a Pistol in MI, and an AOW federally. As long as you acquire it legally federally ($5 AOW tax stamp, register with local sheriff/police chief as required by Fed. Law), and register it with the State (Form RI-060 for CPL holders, normal pistol registration for non-CPL holders), you can carry it loaded on your person, openly or concealed, as well as in your vehicle.
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Zig - how do you register with local sheriff/police chief?
 
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PDinDetroit wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
SpringerXDacp wrote:
choover wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
choover wrote:
I don't think there is any way to legally carry a AOW is there?
Click to expand...

How do you mean? Many AOWs are considered pistols in MI, and thus subject to the same laws as pistols in MI (Registration, able to carry concealed, etc.).
Click to expand...

where does the super shorty fall?
Click to expand...

AOW

http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php
Click to expand...

The Super Shorty is considered to be a Pistol in MI, and an AOW federally. As long as you acquire it legally federally ($5 AOW tax stamp, register with local sheriff/police chief as required by Fed. Law), and register it with the State (Form RI-060 for CPL holders, normal pistol registration for non-CPL holders), you can carry it loaded on your person, openly or concealed, as well as in your vehicle.
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Zig - how do you register with local sheriff/police chief?
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When you're buying the AOW, you fill out ATF Form 4, and get the police chief's signature on the back of the form. Then, you turn in the form and wait for your tax stamp approval. Once you have approval, you complete the firearm purchase.
 
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zigziggityzoo wrote:
PDinDetroit wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
SpringerXDacp wrote:
choover wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
choover wrote:
I don't think there is any way to legally carry a AOW is there?
Click to expand...

How do you mean? Many AOWs are considered pistols in MI, and thus subject to the same laws as pistols in MI (Registration, able to carry concealed, etc.).
Click to expand...

where does the super shorty fall?
Click to expand...

AOW

http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php
Click to expand...

The Super Shorty is considered to be a Pistol in MI, and an AOW federally. As long as you acquire it legally federally ($5 AOW tax stamp, register with local sheriff/police chief as required by Fed. Law), and register it with the State (Form RI-060 for CPL holders, normal pistol registration for non-CPL holders), you can carry it loaded on your person, openly or concealed, as well as in your vehicle.
Click to expand...
Zig - how do you register with local sheriff/police chief?
Click to expand...

When you're buying the AOW, you fill out ATF Form 4, and get the police chief's signature on the back of the form. Then, you turn in the form and wait for your tax stamp approval. Once you have approval, you complete the firearm purchase.
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Can he refuse to sign?
 
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choover wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
PDinDetroit wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
SpringerXDacp wrote:
choover wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
choover wrote:
I don't think there is any way to legally carry a AOW is there?
Click to expand...

How do you mean? Many AOWs are considered pistols in MI, and thus subject to the same laws as pistols in MI (Registration, able to carry concealed, etc.).
Click to expand...

where does the super shorty fall?
Click to expand...

AOW

http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php
Click to expand...

The Super Shorty is considered to be a Pistol in MI, and an AOW federally. As long as you acquire it legally federally ($5 AOW tax stamp, register with local sheriff/police chief as required by Fed. Law), and register it with the State (Form RI-060 for CPL holders, normal pistol registration for non-CPL holders), you can carry it loaded on your person, openly or concealed, as well as in your vehicle.
Click to expand...
Zig - how do you register with local sheriff/police chief?
Click to expand...

When you're buying the AOW, you fill out ATF Form 4, and get the police chief's signature on the back of the form. Then, you turn in the form and wait for your tax stamp approval. Once you have approval, you complete the firearm purchase.
Click to expand...
Can he refuse to sign?
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Yes. This is why people prefer NFA Trusts, which don't require the signature.
 
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zigziggityzoo wrote:
choover wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
PDinDetroit wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
SpringerXDacp wrote:
choover wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
choover wrote:
I don't think there is any way to legally carry a AOW is there?
Click to expand...

How do you mean? Many AOWs are considered pistols in MI, and thus subject to the same laws as pistols in MI (Registration, able to carry concealed, etc.).
Click to expand...

where does the super shorty fall?
Click to expand...

AOW

http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php
Click to expand...

The Super Shorty is considered to be a Pistol in MI, and an AOW federally. As long as you acquire it legally federally ($5 AOW tax stamp, register with local sheriff/police chief as required by Fed. Law), and register it with the State (Form RI-060 for CPL holders, normal pistol registration for non-CPL holders), you can carry it loaded on your person, openly or concealed, as well as in your vehicle.
Click to expand...
Zig - how do you register with local sheriff/police chief?
Click to expand...

When you're buying the AOW, you fill out ATF Form 4, and get the police chief's signature on the back of the form. Then, you turn in the form and wait for your tax stamp approval. Once you have approval, you complete the firearm purchase.
Click to expand...
Can he refuse to sign?
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Yes. This is why people prefer NFA Trusts, which don't require the signature.
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Can you still register it as a pistol with the trust?
 
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