What The NRA Does For You

Such simplistic babble. You might read Clausewitz on enemies.

Admiral Sergey Gorshkov, perhaps Admiral Rickover's Soviet opposite, hung

"'Better' is the enemy of 'Good Enough'," hung on the wall of his office as a motto.

I learned it from a surgeon.

Either we are equal or we are not. Present company excepted, of course.

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I'm going to address just one small portion of the NRA's list of accomplishments: "If this young man had carried or even possessed a firearm in a national park before Feb. 20, 2010, it would have been a crime. Thanks to the NRA and our friends in Congress, citizens can now possess and carry firearms in federal parklands in conformity with the laws of the state."

Essentially that is a confabulated statement. NRA was not the lead agency in the effort. As a matter of fact they were initially vehemently opposed, citing such matters as "timing" and "politcal expediency". However, when it appeared that the rest of the gun-rights community had already gone ahead and was about to score through passage of legislation, the NRA jumped on the bandwagon and claimed to be both a major mover-shaker and the ones who first carried the flag for the effort.

Yes, it is important to pick your battles, based on your view of the world. But if you put forth statements that "now is not the time" and "we are unwilling to risk losing our allies over this issue" then you should have the decency to stick to your guns [pun intended] and not attempt to both climb onto the bandwagon at the last moment and claim leadership and heavy lifting creditsfrom the git-go a mere three blocks from the finish line.

stay safe.

skidmark

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Hank,

You are an NRA shill.

Live Free or Die,

Thundar

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eye95 wrote:

Thundar wrote:

Do we need to say more?

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Yes. You need to say more.

Seriously, it is moronic to the max that the NRA is meeting at a no-gun venue--unless they were going to take advantage of the situation to protest and poke fun at the idiocy of the rule.

However, implying that that situation alone is enough to dismiss the NRA is senseless hyperbole. The NRA may not tackle the issues that you prefer or with the zeal you think they should, but they clearly have advanced the cause of the RKBA.

By all means, join an organization (or form one) that advocates the RKBA in the same way you do, but trashing an ally--even one that you think could have been a much more effective ally--is self-destructive to the cause.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The perfect is the enemy of the good.



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Go find them a suitable venue that allows firearms. Go ahead and try. That was adequately discussed in another thread already.

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Thundar wrote:

Hank,

You are an NRA shill.

Live Free or Die,

Thundar

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Thundar,
can you address the content, as opposed to using weak ad hominem arguments against the person who presented the content?

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wrightme wrote:

eye95 wrote:

Thundar wrote:

Do we need to say more?

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Yes. You need to say more.

Seriously, it is moronic to the max that the NRA is meeting at a no-gun venue--unless they were going to take advantage of the situation to protest and poke fun at the idiocy of the rule.

However, implying that that situation alone is enough to dismiss the NRA is senseless hyperbole. The NRA may not tackle the issues that you prefer or with the zeal you think they should, but they clearly have advanced the cause of the RKBA.

By all means, join an organization (or form one) that advocates the RKBA in the same way you do, but trashing an ally--even one that you think could have been a much more effective ally--is self-destructive to the cause.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The perfect is the enemy of the good.



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Go find them a suitable venue that allows firearms. Go ahead and try. That was adequately discussed in another thread already.

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You likely have an excellent point. (I say "likely" because I am going to get lazy, not do the research, and assume that finding such a venue is nigh onto impossible.)

Still, they can make an issue out of it: Wear empty holsters. Carry signs that say, "We have the RKBA except at <insert the name of the venue here>." I am sure that folks a lot cleverer than I can come up with better ways to make the point.

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eye95 wrote:

wrightme wrote:

eye95 wrote:

Thundar wrote:

Do we need to say more?

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Yes. You need to say more.

Seriously, it is moronic to the max that the NRA is meeting at a no-gun venue--unless they were going to take advantage of the situation to protest and poke fun at the idiocy of the rule.

However, implying that that situation alone is enough to dismiss the NRA is senseless hyperbole. The NRA may not tackle the issues that you prefer or with the zeal you think they should, but they clearly have advanced the cause of the RKBA.

By all means, join an organization (or form one) that advocates the RKBA in the same way you do, but trashing an ally--even one that you think could have been a much more effective ally--is self-destructive to the cause.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The perfect is the enemy of the good.



Edited to add quote to avoid confusion that could result from an intervening post.

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Go find them a suitable venue that allows firearms. Go ahead and try. That was adequately discussed in another thread already.

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You likely have an excellent point. (I say "likely" because I am going to get lazy, not do the research, and assume that finding such a venue is nigh onto impossible.)

Still, they can make an issue out of it: Wear empty holsters. Carry signs that say, "We have the RKBA except at <insert the name of the venue here>." I am sure that folks a lot cleverer than I can come up with better ways to make the point.

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First, consider the reason for the meeting, and go from there. The NRA is not conducting a protest or demonstration. They are holding a scheduled annual meeting for the corporation.

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kwikrnu wrote:

Glock34 wrote:

HankT wrote:

Like who?

Who, for example, works on opposing the United Nations' gun-ban treaty?

Lastly, who do you support with your membership?

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+ 1. If every gun owner belonged to the NRA ( 90 Million in the USA ) Anti 2A gun laws would be a thing of the past , Wisconsin would have had CC years ago & The Brady Bunch would be that lame show you watch on Retro TV. When the President signs on to the UN Gun Ban treaty , I don't want to hear a peep from you anti NRA people. Go ahead join the GOA, but they don't have the teeth that the NRA has.
Instead of complaining about the NRA, try thanking them for the simple fact you still can legally own a gun.

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If every gun owner was a member they would collect dues for 35 years, oppose challanges to unconstitutional laws, take a back seat to any challange of those laws, then claim all of the credit. In other words, they would do the same thing they do now.

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After the 'enemies' comment above, this association, of G LOC K34 and HenriettaTG, is pretty funny. They're troll pigs.

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The last three venues that the NRA Annual Meeting was held at , all had "No Gun" policies primarily due to Insurance restrictions or City ordinance. However the NRA was able to get those lifted at the last moment. Hopefully that will be the case again this year.

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"Cscitney87" the NRA dosent charge anything for training. It isindividuals who holdNRA Instructor credentialsthat charge for their classes

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Good point. Individuals like, ironically, Master Doug Huffman/Doug Huffman.

How much did/do you charge, Dougs?

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Master Doug Huffman wrote:

Print as wallet card. Notarize if desired. Laminate after signatures. Copyright © DBH
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The undersigned certifies that the four precepts of safe gun handling are understood and memorized; LOADED[sup][1][/sup], MUZZLE[sup][2][/sup], TRIGGER[sup][3][/sup], TARGET[sup][4][/sup] and that firing a gun requires violation of one or more of these precepts of safe gun handling. Footnotes overleaf.

The undersigned certifies that the four elements of common-law self-defense are understood and memorized; 1) be innocent of instigation, 2) be in reasonable fear of bodily harm, 3) use sufficient force only to deliver oneself from evil, 4) attempt to withdraw. The undersigned acknowledges that local statutes may further restrict or expand common law.

I,________________ certify this day, __________________ that the above is true

Signed:
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[1] LOADED- All guns are LOADED until they are not, proven to the satisfaction of all involved.

[2] MUZZLE - Cover with the MUZZLE only that which would be destroyed.

[3] TRIGGER - Keep your finger off the TRIGGER. Keep YOUR finger off the TRIGGER.

[4] TARGET - Know your TARGET and what is beyond.

One or more of these precepts of safe gun handling MUST BE VIOLATED to fire a gun.
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There, you're certified in accordance with Wisconsin Statutes and Administrative Regulations on 03/21/2010

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HankT wrote:

Good point. Individuals like, ironically, Master Doug Huffman/Doug Huffman.

How much did/do you charge, Dougs?

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If you read thoughtfully nearly as much as you troll then you would have seen this some time ago.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/40725-1.html

Master Doug Huffman wrote:

Master Doug Huffman wrote:

Print as wallet card. Notarize if desired. Laminate after signatures. Copyright © DBH
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The undersigned certifies that the four precepts of safe gun handling are understood and memorized; LOADED[suP][1][/suP], MUZZLE[suP][2][/suP], TRIGGER[suP][3][/suP], TARGET[suP][4][/suP] and that firing a gun requires violation of one or more of these precepts of safe gun handling. Footnotes overleaf.

The undersigned certifies that the four elements of common-law self-defense are understood and memorized; 1) be innocent of instigation, 2) be in reasonable fear of bodily harm, 3) use sufficient force only to deliver oneself from evil, 4) attempt to withdraw. The undersigned acknowledges that local statutes may further restrict or expand common law.

I,________________ certify this day, __________________ that the above is true

Signed:
========================OVERLEAF============================
[1] LOADED- All guns are LOADED until they are not, proven to the satisfaction of all involved.

[2] MUZZLE - Cover with the MUZZLE only that which would be destroyed.

[3] TRIGGER - Keep your finger off the TRIGGER. Keep YOUR finger off the TRIGGER.

[4] TARGET - Know your TARGET and what is beyond.

One or more of these precepts of safe gun handling MUST BE VIOLATED to fire a gun.
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There, you're certified in accordance with Wisconsin Statutes and Administrative Regulations on 03/21/2010

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If you read thoughtfully

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I sure with Gun Owners of America had the NRA's money and popularity.

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smttysmth02gt wrote:

I sure with Gun Owners of America had the NRA's money and popularity.

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How many members does the GOA have?

What is the GOA's total revenues?

How much does its top executive get paid?

Anyone know?

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smttysmth02gt wrote:

I sure with Gun Owners of America had the NRA's money and popularity.

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How many members does the GOA have?

What is the GOA's total revenues?

How much does its top executive get paid?

Anyone know?

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