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Arizona CCW, yes this a Va topic

Grapeshot

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vamr wrote:
I checked your links. I found nothing stating that the NRA opposed this bill. Nor did I see anything stating that they headed it up or initiated it.

Thelink I postedwas mearly saying that they backed the bill not taking credit for it
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The links were not provided to demonstrate opposition to the bill.
Feel free to contact http://www.azcdl.org/ and ask them yourself - I followed this over the last 4+ years.

The NRA traditionally says they backed a bill after someone else does the work - that is not earth shaking news. A prime example is the recent NPS rule change that was originated and pushed by VCDL when no one else would. The NRA was no big help in Iowa either, though they now bask in the glory.

The great thing about opinions is that they can live and thrive here. You like the NRA - great. I can tolerate them and feel great disappointment that they have not fully utilized their strength. Sometimes they are a distinct hindrance.

Yata hey
 
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vamr wrote:
peter nap wrote:
hometheaterman wrote:
peter nap wrote:
hometheaterman wrote:
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Was the NRA supportive of this in AZ? I didn't follow it very closely.
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No, they were not and from what I gather from people that followed it closely, there was almost open warfare with the NRA.

You can pretty well assure yourself it wouldn't pass the first or second time around. One thing is certain though, it never will pass if it's not introduced and every year that we give more to the CHP side of the legislation, the closer we get to doing away with open carry and the chance of unpermitted CC.
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HB 1108was infact backed by the NRA. Just for accuracy.

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=13681
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The Arizona Citizen's Defense League (http://www.azcdl.org/) invested a lot of time and money and rallying of the troops which the NRA glossed over in their press releases.
 
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Vanns40 wrote:
Let's also look at the fact that under the new AZ law, law enforcement can (and most assurdedly will) disarm you for the duration of their encounter with you. Knowing LEO's as I do (having been one), if they can, they will. Not so sure we really want that here.
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That really doesn't happen that much here, while I have not been stopped in like 25 years friends/coworkers that have been stoped have been told "just don't reach for it" none have had it taken for safe keeping. But then we generally don't get stopped a lot so not a real good cross section of Arizona traffic stops. :)
 
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Vanns40 wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
vamr wrote:
peter nap wrote:
hometheaterman wrote:
peter nap wrote:
Was the NRA supportive of this in AZ? I didn't follow it very closely.
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No, they were not and from what I gather from people that followed it closely, there was almost open warfare with the NRA.

You can pretty well assure yourself it wouldn't pass the first or second time around. One thing is certain though, it never will pass if it's not introduced and every year that we give more to the CHP side of the legislation, the closer we get to doing away with open carry and the chance of unpermitted CC.
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HB 1108was infact backed by the NRA. Just for accuracy.

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=13681
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Everything I read on this bill (now law) is that the NRA fought it tooth and nail.
After they fact, the NRA took as much credit as they could steal or claim. The above link is one such example.

Kudos to the AzCDL for all of their hard work - it paid off.
http://www.azcdl.org/

The new law does have several things worth pointing out. A permit is still available for those wishing to take advantage of reciprocity with other states. You cannot carry in an establishment that serves alcohol w/o a permit.

Otherwise unlicensed/non-permitted OC or CC is permitted by any qualified/legal citizen anywhere not restricted by law. Even the HuffPost concedes this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/17/arizona-gun-law-concealed_n_541445.html

Yata hey
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Let's also look at the fact that under the new AZ law, law enforcement can (and most assurdedly will) disarm you for the duration of their encounter with you. Knowing LEO's as I do (having been one), if they can, they will. Not so sure we really want that here.
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They already do Officer safety:X
 
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