I have someone to do the legislative review for me. I just need to plug in the desired result and then review what she puts together.
Note that due to numerous other firearms related-statutes in Virginia incorporating by reference the exceptions contained in subsections B and C of Va. Code§ 18.2-308, a bill drafter would need to be careful in how he or she drafts the bill to avoid some very nasty, unintended consequences.
Before you really get gung ho on it, there are a couple of problems.Yes I thought seriously about making a thread about this. I think we need to try to get a similar bill passed here next year.
I thought about that some earlier today before I even saw this thread. I was thinking the major reason they aren't going to want to do away with CHP's is the income from them.hometheaterman wrote:Before you really get gung ho on it, there are a couple of problems.Yes I thought seriously about making a thread about this. I think we need to try to get a similar bill passed here next year.
The biggest is there won't be a lot of support from the gun lobby and I imagine open hostility from the NRA.
Unless McDonnell muzzles them again, the state police will be singing blood in the streets and the MMM's will develop the vapors.
Most legislation is decided in private and there will be private opposition from some pro gun groups that would surprise you. There is money in CHP's.
No, they were not and from what I gather from people that followed it closely, there was almost open warfare with the NRA.peter nap wrote:Was the NRA supportive of this in AZ? I didn't follow it very closely.hometheaterman wrote:
That's one of the pitfalls WVCDL was talking about.How would Constitutional Carry in Virginia effect reciprocity in other states that honor Virginia CHP's?
hometheaterman wrote:No, they were not and from what I gather from people that followed it closely, there was almost open warfare with the NRA.peter nap wrote:Was the NRA supportive of this in AZ? I didn't follow it very closely.hometheaterman wrote:
You can pretty well assure yourself it wouldn't pass the first or second time around. One thing is certain though, it never will pass if it's not introduced and every year that we give more to the CHP side of the legislation, the closer we get to doing away with open carry and the chance of unpermitted CC.
That is how VT/AK do it, those who still want or need the Government permission slip can still get one.ODA 226 wrote:That's one of the pitfalls WVCDL was talking about.How would Constitutional Carry in Virginia effect reciprocity in other states that honor Virginia CHP's?
CHP's would still exist for those that wanted them.
I didn't know VT did that...for non-res permits from some states, they have a special section for VT residents, they basically have their local CLEO sign a statement saying the applicant is in good standing and not a criminal.peter nap wrote:That is how VT/AK do it, those who still want or need the Government permission slip can still get one.ODA 226 wrote:That's one of the pitfalls WVCDL was talking about.How would Constitutional Carry in Virginia effect reciprocity in other states that honor Virginia CHP's?
CHP's would still exist for those that wanted them.
Everything I read on this bill (now law) is that the NRA fought it tooth and nail.peter nap wrote:hometheaterman wrote:No, they were not and from what I gather from people that followed it closely, there was almost open warfare with the NRA.peter nap wrote:
Was the NRA supportive of this in AZ? I didn't follow it very closely.
You can pretty well assure yourself it wouldn't pass the first or second time around. One thing is certain though, it never will pass if it's not introduced and every year that we give more to the CHP side of the legislation, the closer we get to doing away with open carry and the chance of unpermitted CC.
HB 1108was infact backed by the NRA. Just for accuracy.
http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=13681
VT's permit is pretty useless for reciporcity.I didn't know VT did that...
Let's also look at the fact that under the new AZ law, law enforcement can (and most assurdedly will) disarm you for the duration of their encounter with you. Knowing LEO's as I do (having been one), if they can, they will. Not so sure we really want that here.vamr wrote:Everything I read on this bill (now law) is that the NRA fought it tooth and nail.peter nap wrote:hometheaterman wrote:No, they were not and from what I gather from people that followed it closely, there was almost open warfare with the NRA.peter nap wrote:
Was the NRA supportive of this in AZ? I didn't follow it very closely.
You can pretty well assure yourself it wouldn't pass the first or second time around. One thing is certain though, it never will pass if it's not introduced and every year that we give more to the CHP side of the legislation, the closer we get to doing away with open carry and the chance of unpermitted CC.
HB 1108was infact backed by the NRA. Just for accuracy.
http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=13681
After they fact, the NRA took as much credit as they could steal or claim. The above link is one such example.
Kudos to the AzCDL for all of their hard work - it paid off.
http://www.azcdl.org/
The new law does have several things worth pointing out. A permit is still available for those wishing to take advantage of reciprocity with other states. You cannot carry in an establishment that serves alcohol w/o a permit.
Otherwise unlicensed/non-permitted OC or CC is permitted by any qualified/legal citizen anywhere not restricted by law. Even the HuffPost concedes this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/17/arizona-gun-law-concealed_n_541445.html
Yata hey