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OC in a charity poker room

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insignia240

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I have been doing research lately on the legalities of OCing or CCing in a charity poker room licenced under the state of michigan. There is quite the difference between a charity poker room and a casino.

The difference between OC andCC would be whether or not the poker room is located within a bar or if it is somewhere that open alcohol is served.

http://www.michigan.gov/cg/0,1607,7-111-35016_35017---,00.html

There has been several robberies at charity poker rooms in Detroit due to the large amounts of cash individuals carry andlack of security in facility or outside of it. I don't plan on being a victim.
 
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I would ask the charity owner if you could read his Charity-Gambling-License agreement and see if it mentions anything in their. If not I would think your good, you could also email your local police chief and see if he/she can request an opinion from the AG.

Good Luck,

God Bless
 
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R 432.1212 Weapons in casino.
Rule 212. (1) An individual may not carry a firearm or other weapon in a
casino, except for the following entities:
(a) State, county, city, township, or village law enforcement officers, as
defined in section 2(e) of Act No. 203 of the Public Acts of 1965, as
amended, being § 28.601 et seq. of the Michigan Compiled Laws.
(b) Federal law enforcement officers, as defined in 5 U.S.C. § 8331.
(c) Armored car personnel picking up or delivering currency at secured
areas.
(2) Law enforcement officers conducting official duties within a casino
shall, to the extent practicable, advise the Michigan state police gaming
section of their presence.
(3) Private casino security personnel may carry handcuffs while on duty in
a casino.

History: 1998-2000 AACS.

Casinos. Section 5o(2) of the act currently provides that that neither a Michigan CPL holder nor a member of the U.S. armed forces exempt from needing to meet the requirements of a Michigan CPL person may carry a concealed pistol in violation of a specified rule (R 432.1212 or its successor) promulgated under the Michigan Gaming Control and Revenue Act, prohibiting firearms and other weapons from being carried in casinos. The bill would amend this section so that it specifies that neither Michigan CPL holders nor holders of a CPL from another state may carry a concealed pistol in violation of casino rules. Members of the armed forces would not longer be specifically required to abide by casino restrictions.
 
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You guys must be trying to save me money.
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What about CC at a Charity Poker Room?
 
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fozzy71 said:
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Nope, it does not appear to, but I am not a lawyer.. What is interesting is that Native American casinos are seemingly excluded from the prohibition too, though they may have the ability to make their own rules.

Those of you who like to gamble, am I possibly correct in thinking just the non, native american casinos (IE Detroit) are covered by the "CPL, no CC firearms" restriction??

Lets take a look at this Michigan Gaming Control and Revenue Act that is the basis for this prohibition:

Casinos. Section 5o(2) of the act currently provides that that neither a Michigan CPL holder nor a member of the U.S. armed forces exempt from needing to meet the requirements of a Michigan CPL person may carry a concealed pistol in violation of a specified rule (R 432.1212 or its successor) promulgated under the Michigan Gaming Control and Revenue Act, prohibiting firearms and other weapons from being carried in casinos.

But Sec 3 says:
Sec. 3.
(1) Casino gaming is authorized to the extent that it is conducted in accordance with this act.
(2) Except as provided in subsection (5), this act does not apply to any of the following:
(a) The pari-mutuel system of wagering used or intended to be used in connection with race meetings as authorized under the horse racing law of 1995, 1995 PA 279, MCL 431.301 to 431.336.
(b) Lottery games authorized under the McCauley-Traxler-Law-Bowman-McNeely lottery act, 1972 PA 239, MCL 432.1 to 432.47.
(c) Bingo or millionaire parties or any other activities authorized under the Traxler-McCauley-Law-Bowman bingo act, 1972 PA 382, MCL 432.101 to 432.120.
(d) Gambling on Native American land and land held in trust by the United States for a federally recognized Indian tribe on which gaming may be conducted under the Indian gaming regulatory act, Public Law 100-497, 102 Stat. 2467.
(e) Recreational card playing, bowling, redemption games, and occasional promotional activities under sections 303a, 310a, 310b, 372, and 375 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.303a, 750.310a, 750.310b, 750.372, and 750.375.
 
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Thank you sir, for finding and posting that. I used to deal at a charity card room and I believe they fall under C and possibly E.

I expect if I OC into there someone is going to say something, but I would like to be able to CC if I dont want the attention and be legal. I know that parking lot muggings are not uncommon at those places and I would feel a lot better if I am walking in/out with $500 or $1k if I am legally able to carry.
 
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fozzy71 said:
Thank you sir, for finding and posting that. I used to deal at a charity card room and I believe they fall under C and possibly E.

I expect if I OC into there someone is going to say something, but I would like to be able to CC if I dont want the attention and be legal. I know that parking lot muggings are not uncommon at those places and I would feel a lot better if I am walking in/out with $500 or $1k if I am legally able to carry.
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It appears that the only reference to casino's in the CPL law refers exclusively to the Detroit area Commercial Casinos. I could be wrong/ I am not a lawyer. See:
http://www.michigan.gov/mgcb/0,1607,7-120--5946--,00.html
 
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