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    It appears that Cheyenne hospital is anti gun as they have signs at the entrance to the emergency room and main entrance about no firearms and weapons.

    Anybody know if this is a new policy and how they enforce anybody open carrying in the hospital.

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    If it is private property (I don't know), they are perfectly within their rights to create a disarmed victim zone. In either case, the signs make it official and any criminal stupid enough to come to Wyoming will feel welcomed there.

    So, if you don't want to be a disarmed victim, either conceal and shut up, or stay out.

    Not good, but there it is.
    I will not knowingly initiate force. I am a self owner.

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    And for God's sake stay away from any MRI equipment unless you want your pistol lifted...:shock:

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    Question....

    Does a posted sign saying 'NO WEAPONS' have the force of law in Wyoming when posted on the premises of a NOT FOR PROFIT HOSPITAL?

    If is does have the force of law, what are the penalties/consequences?

    If is does not have the force of law....?
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    JoeSparky wrote:
    Question....

    Does a posted sign saying 'NO WEAPONS' have the force of law in Wyoming when posted on the premises of a NOT FOR PROFIT HOSPITAL?

    If is does have the force of law, what are the penalties/consequences?

    If is does not have the force of law....?
    Not sure what your point is. If your gun is not welcome, you will have the choice of entering unarmed or facing the hassle of police attention and tresspass charges if you enter armed.

    Why go there at all - unless you just enjoy legal bills and LEO encounters, of course.
    I will not knowingly initiate force. I am a self owner.

    Let the record show that I did not consent to be governed. I did not consent to any constitution. I did not consent to any president. I did not consent to any law except the natural law of "mala en se." I did not consent to the police. Nor any tax. Nor any prohibition of anything. Nor any regulation or licensing of any kind.

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    MamaLiberty wrote:
    JoeSparky wrote:
    Question....

    Does a posted sign saying 'NO WEAPONS' have the force of law in Wyoming when posted on the premises of a NOT FOR PROFIT HOSPITAL?

    If is does have the force of law, what are the penalties/consequences?

    If is does not have the force of law....?
    Not sure what your point is. If your gun is not welcome, you will have the choice of entering unarmed or facing the hassle of police attention and tresspass charges if you enter armed.

    Why go there at all - unless you just enjoy legal bills and LEO encounters, of course.
    my point is that in some jurisdictions such signs DO NOT HAVE THE FORCE OF LAW, so I was asking.... IN WYOMING, DOES THIS SIGN ON A NOT FOR PROFIT HOSPITAL HAVE THE FORCE OF LAW? And IF SO, WHAT ARE THE PENALTIES ENFORCED?
    RIGHTS don't exist without RESPONSIBILITY!
    If one is not willing to stand for his rights, he doesn't have any Rights.
    I will strive to stand for the rights of ANY person, even those folks with whom I disagree!
    As said by SVG--- "I am not anti-COP, I am PRO-Citizen" and I'll add, PRO-Constitution.
    If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!

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    JoeSparky wrote:
    Why go there at all - unless you just enjoy legal bills and LEO encounters, of course.
    my point is that in some jurisdictions such signs DO NOT HAVE THE FORCE OF LAW, so I was asking.... IN WYOMING, DOES THIS SIGN ON A NOT FOR PROFIT HOSPITAL HAVE THE FORCE OF LAW? And IF SO, WHAT ARE THE PENALTIES ENFORCED?
    Well, the only way to find out for sure is to call a Wyoming attorney or see if you can find it on the Wyoming state website.

    MY "point" was that it is irrelevant unless you especially enjoy being hassled and arrested. You "might" win in court, but it's going to cost you money and time.
    Enjoy!
    I will not knowingly initiate force. I am a self owner.

    Let the record show that I did not consent to be governed. I did not consent to any constitution. I did not consent to any president. I did not consent to any law except the natural law of "mala en se." I did not consent to the police. Nor any tax. Nor any prohibition of anything. Nor any regulation or licensing of any kind.

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    MamaLiberty wrote:
    JoeSparky wrote:
    Why go there at all - unless you just enjoy legal bills and LEO encounters, of course.
    my point is that in some jurisdictions such signs DO NOT HAVE THE FORCE OF LAW, so I was asking.... IN WYOMING, DOES THIS SIGN ON A NOT FOR PROFIT HOSPITAL HAVE THE FORCE OF LAW? And IF SO, WHAT ARE THE PENALTIES ENFORCED?
    Well, the only way to find out for sure is to call a Wyoming attorney or see if you can find it on the Wyoming state website.

    MY "point" was that it is irrelevant unless you especially enjoy being hassled and arrested. You "might" win in court, but it's going to cost you money and time.
    Enjoy!
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR 'KIND' ASSISTANCE....

    I was hoping that SOMEONE from the Great State of Wyoming just MIGHT have an IDEA of what the LAW WAS, SO I ASKED HERE.

    I also understand that GENERALLY a states Attorney General ONLY responds to requests such as this when ASKED BY A MEMBER OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE OR OTHER CIVIL AUTHORITIES WITH THAT STATE!
    RIGHTS don't exist without RESPONSIBILITY!
    If one is not willing to stand for his rights, he doesn't have any Rights.
    I will strive to stand for the rights of ANY person, even those folks with whom I disagree!
    As said by SVG--- "I am not anti-COP, I am PRO-Citizen" and I'll add, PRO-Constitution.
    If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!

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    JoeSparky wrote
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR 'KIND' ASSISTANCE....

    I was hoping that SOMEONE from the Great State of Wyoming just MIGHT have an IDEA of what the LAW WAS, SO I ASKED HERE.

    I also understand that GENERALLY a states Attorney General ONLY responds to requests such as this when ASKED BY A MEMBER OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE OR OTHER CIVIL AUTHORITIES WITH THAT STATE!
    Hey Joe,

    I might have been inclined to help you, but your sarcastic and abrasive attitude really rubs me the wrong way.

    So I'll just second Mama's suggestion: "Why don't you call a lawyer and ask them." and try and be civil. I'm sure most attorneys don't like PEOPLE YELLING AT THEM either.

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    JoeSparky wrote:
    Question....

    Does a posted sign saying 'NO WEAPONS' have the force of law in Wyoming when posted on the premises of a NOT FOR PROFIT HOSPITAL?

    If is does have the force of law, what are the penalties/consequences?

    If is does not have the force of law....?
    Let me start over since some have felt that I have been sarcastic...
    Caps in the following are to be read as EMPHASIS, not yelling at the reader!

    I am not a resident of Wyoming and I know that in some jurisdictions (UTAH) such signs do not have the force of law.

    I Wyoming does a sign stating "NO FIREARMS" have the force of law when posted on the premises of a NOT FOR PROFIT HOSPITAL? If, YES, just what are the penalties?

    If the sign does not have the force of law, then what?
    RIGHTS don't exist without RESPONSIBILITY!
    If one is not willing to stand for his rights, he doesn't have any Rights.
    I will strive to stand for the rights of ANY person, even those folks with whom I disagree!
    As said by SVG--- "I am not anti-COP, I am PRO-Citizen" and I'll add, PRO-Constitution.
    If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!

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    JoeSparky wrote:
    I Wyoming does a sign stating "NO FIREARMS" have the force of law when posted on the premises of a NOT FOR PROFIT HOSPITAL? If, YES, just what are the penalties?

    If the sign does not have the force of law, then what?
    Since you have demonstrated a modicum of civility, I'll give you my opinion.

    As previously stated, "No Firearms" signs, stickers, or whatever carry no weight of law in Wyoming. The places that are off limits under state law only apply to concealed carry. Those places are identified in
    WSC § 6-8-104:

    Code:
    (t) No permit issued pursuant to this section or any permit issued from any other state shall authorize any person to carry a concealed firearm into:
     (i) Any facility used primarily for law enforcement operations or administration without the written consent of the chief administrator;
     (ii) Any detention facility, prison or jail;
     (iii) Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section shall preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in the courtroom;
     (iv) Any meeting of a governmental entity;
     (v) Any meeting of the legislature or a committee thereof;
     (vi) Any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms;
     (vii) Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic liquor and malt beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to that purpose;
     (viii) Any place where persons are assembled for public worship, without the written consent of the chief administrator of that place;
     (ix) Any elementary or secondary school facility;
     (x) Any college or university facility without the written consent of the security service of the college or university; or
     (xi) Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law or regulation or state law.
    Outside of laws regarding felons having weapons (§ 6-8-102), committing crimes while in possession of a weapon (§ 6-8-101), or possession with deadly intent
    (
    § 6-8-103), and regulations that only apply to hunting, there isn't anything else regarding weapons or firearms specifically.

    So the only law that might apply if you where caught in a posted establishment would be that of Criminal Trespass (
    § 6-3-303):
    Code:
    (a) A person is guilty of criminal trespass if he enters or remains on or in the land or premises of another person, knowing he is not authorized to do so, or after being notified to depart or to not trespass. For purposes of this section, notice is given by:
     (i) Personal communication to the person by the owner or occupant, or his agent, or by a peace officer; or
     (ii) Posting of signs reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders.
     (b) Criminal trespass is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than six (6) months, a fine of not more than seven hundred fifty dollars ($750.00), or both.
     (c) This section does not supersede W.S. 1-21-1003.
    I would think that (ii) provides sufficient grounds to charge you with trespass if you carry in any establishment that is posted. However, I would also think that most places would simply ask you to leave.
    I do not have the resources to search or cite any case law that might be pertinent. If you want that degree of assurance... lawyer up...

    Feel free to do your own research. All of the Wyoming State Code is publicly available on the net. Search to your heart's content. Although I can tell you with supreme confidence that you're not going to find anything beyond what I've cited.



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    AND THAT was ALL I was ASKING FOR.... THANK YOU!

    I don't like it when SOME jump to conclusions.
    RIGHTS don't exist without RESPONSIBILITY!
    If one is not willing to stand for his rights, he doesn't have any Rights.
    I will strive to stand for the rights of ANY person, even those folks with whom I disagree!
    As said by SVG--- "I am not anti-COP, I am PRO-Citizen" and I'll add, PRO-Constitution.
    If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!

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    JoeSparky wrote:
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR 'KIND' ASSISTANCE....

    I was hoping that SOMEONE from the Great State of Wyoming just MIGHT have an IDEA of what the LAW WAS, SO I ASKED HERE.

    I also understand that GENERALLY a states Attorney General ONLY responds to requests such as this when ASKED BY A MEMBER OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE OR OTHER CIVIL AUTHORITIES WITH THAT STATE
    I don't give legal advice to anyone. It is safest to research such things yourself. I told you where to find the information you wanted, along with my opinion. You chose to ignore that and get shrill.

    And, actually, the state AG here is pretty cool. He usually answers his own email even.
    I will not knowingly initiate force. I am a self owner.

    Let the record show that I did not consent to be governed. I did not consent to any constitution. I did not consent to any president. I did not consent to any law except the natural law of "mala en se." I did not consent to the police. Nor any tax. Nor any prohibition of anything. Nor any regulation or licensing of any kind.

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    MamaLiberty wrote:
    JoeSparky wrote:
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR 'KIND' ASSISTANCE....

    I was hoping that SOMEONE from the Great State of Wyoming just MIGHT have an IDEA of what the LAW WAS, SO I ASKED HERE.

    I also understand that GENERALLY a states Attorney General ONLY responds to requests such as this when ASKED BY A MEMBER OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE OR OTHER CIVIL AUTHORITIES WITH THAT STATE
    I don't give legal advice to anyone. It is safest to research such things yourself. I told you where to find the information you wanted, along with my opinion. You chose to ignore that and get shrill.

    And, actually, the state AG here is pretty cool. He usually answers his own email even.
    I will accept this as your apology for misinterpreting my request for information.

    For the record, I would have better understood your original reply if you had simply added... "I don't give legal advise"

    Anyway, that said, Carry ON! Everywhere it is LEGAL! With a goal of making it legal EVERYWHERE!
    RIGHTS don't exist without RESPONSIBILITY!
    If one is not willing to stand for his rights, he doesn't have any Rights.
    I will strive to stand for the rights of ANY person, even those folks with whom I disagree!
    As said by SVG--- "I am not anti-COP, I am PRO-Citizen" and I'll add, PRO-Constitution.
    If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!

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    Don't give Mama any lip.

    She deserves the utmost respect.

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    While I am no attorney, I have bounced this same question off friends and acquaintances that are either current/former LEO's, or that are attorneys and have knowledge of such things. Here is what I have been told, and the principles I work from.

    Many of the folks answering the question in this forum are operating on the assumption that the hospital in Cheyenne is indeed Private Property, and thus subject to the same protection. However, this MAY NOT be the case.

    I live in Casper, and the main hospital here(Wyoming Medical Center) isOWNED by Natrona County, but is MANAGED/OPERATED by a third-party non-profit entity. Thus, carrying on the grounds or inside the facilities that are owned by the county are subject to the same rules as all public places, in that it is NOT generally unlawful to carry your firearm (concealed or otherwise). The ONLY thing that may modify this is if the "policy" was enacted by an entity lawfully charged and authorized by the County to make such a change, such as the County Commissioners. In some situations, I know that the Sheriff's office generally has some leeway there to institute a "temporary" or "extenuating circumstances" gun-free zone, but such would be precisely that: temporary, and likely for damned good reason.

    Since I am not familiar enough with the situation at the hospital in Cheyenne, I can't answer this one with 100% certainty.

    In general, however, I approach such things as many others have advised; keep your cool (or carry concealed, if you have a permit) and folks will likely leave you alone. However, should you end up in a sticky situation, it's always best to comply. This does not mean that you cannot or should not gently assert yourself, but you don't want to be the subject of a call to the police department about an "armed, argumentative man at the hospital that won't leave." Let's just say, you'd more than likely be setting yourself upto have a bad time.

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    From what i understand the hospital in cheyenne is owned by the county ran as a non profit hospital by a private board of directors.

    after talking to a security guard when visiting a friend in the hospital i was told to not bring firearms onto hospital property do not leave them locked in a vehicle on hospital property but to lock them up in a car off the hospital property and that the hospital does not have a place to lock up and secure a visitors firearm but it will be turned over to police.

    if i am sick and come into the hospital with a pistol or rifle they will take it and turn it over to the police

    take this as you will as it comes from a guard as the main offices were closed.

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