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    Getting a few weird stares in Broomfield and around the area, but in general pretty good. Never had many problems in AZ and honestly, even in Las Vegas, less.

    Is it the area?

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    Probably the area. I live in Thornton, close to both Broomfield and Westminster, and I could see you getting some weird looks from some of the folks that live in the area. I would say it's mostly about demographics, since it's mostly middle or upper middle class folks that live there.

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    You have to remember that most of the people here are out-of-state transplants, MANY from California. Colorado's changed...

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    Don't expect anyone here to drop to their knees with their mouth wide open. You'll even see a cop or two while OC in Broomfield. Constantly cruising through the large strip mall parking lots; many of which are connected by inner roads. It's not rare to be walking in and out of a Papa Johns only to see the cop circle your very parking lot the entire time you are inside.

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    yeah, I carry around there all the time - people look at you strange, but there's nothing they'll do about it.

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    But we want people to do things about it. Things like open their minds and see it as a normal thing. Things like OC themselves. Things like, if they're of a criminal bend, to realize that maybe their victims aren't as helpless as they might suspect.

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    But we want people to do things about it. Things like open their minds and see it as a normal thing. Things like OC themselves. Things like, if they're of a criminal bend, to realize that maybe their victims aren't as helpless as they might suspect.

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    But we want people to do things about it. Things like open their minds and see it as a normal thing. Things like OC themselves. Things like, if they're of a criminal bend, to realize that maybe their victims aren't as helpless as they might suspect.

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    Dynamite Rabbit wrote:
    You have to remember that most of the people here are out-of-state transplants, MANY from California. Colorado's changed...
    +1

    That's a great point
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    Well, I am hoping to meet when I get a second with the Broomfield Police about the whole OC issue.

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    Pace wrote:
    Well, I am hoping to meet when I get a second with the Broomfield Police about the whole OC issue.
    What do you mean Pace?

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    Pace wrote:
    Well, I am hoping to meet when I get a second with the Broomfield Police about the whole OC issue.
    This again? Honestly how many times does somebody have to tell you? Ugh!

    Go ahead and have your chat with Broomfield PD; it's of no concern to us. Broomfield PD will tell you not to Open Carry... You will cite State Laws... Broomfield PD will refute; and you will come back here and post another "I can't OC in Broomfield" thread.


    Dude you need to really get a grip. Either you are Open Carrying or you are not. Don't pussyfoot around the issue. Broomfield; just like every other city in Colorado; is clearly legally and officially Open Carry.

    Just keep your eyes peeled for properly posted signs that prohibit open carry legally. No; the city of Broomfield does not have a posted sign at every public entrance to the city.

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    Posted: Sun Apr 18th, 2010 01:04 am
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    Pace wrote: "Now I'm getting ticked off -- here I am in Broomfield, and you telling me that some people think we can't OC?

    What is the official word?
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    The only city that has imposed a legal ordinance is Denver as per the 2004 Meyers Decision. This isn't to say that you won't have people call you in and that you won't have LEO contact, but there is nothing that can be done about you carrying anywhere you want (except already prohibited areas like government buildings and schools). Anywhere that bans carry must post signs at all entrances open to the public and/or employ full time security with metal detectors that all people have to pass through to enter the facility.

    Unless, of course, I've completely misinterpreted everything I've read and heard. But I'm pretty sure state preemption includes all cities and counties outside Denver...



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    Pace wrote: "9-72-020 Possession and use of weapons.
    (A) It is unlawful for any person to possess an illegal weapon.
    (B) Except in a person's dwelling, place of business, or on property under such person's ownership or control, it is unlawful for any person to possess the following:
    (1) A firearm or gas or mechanically operated gun;

    (E) Defenses.
    (1) It is an affirmative defense to a violation of subsections (A) and (B) that the defendant was carrying the weapon pursuant to a concealed weapons permit valid under state statutes.
    "Colorado Local Ordinance Summary Important Note: On March 18, 2003, Article 11.7 in Title 29 of the Colorado Revised Statutes took effect. Section 29-11.7-103 voids any previously enacted local ordinance that prohibits the “sale, purchase, or possession of a firearm that a person may lawfully sell, purchase, or possess under state or federal law.” Colorado also adopted legislation regarding the carrying of firearms in private vehicles (Section 18-12-105.6(2), effective March 18, 2003), and concealed weapons (Section 18-12-201(1)(e), effective May 19, 2003). The local ordinances listed here were adopted prior to the effective dates of these new state laws.

    Broomfield (§ 9-72-020) indirectly regulates guns on public property by making it unlawful to possess firearms anywhere except “in a person’s dwelling, place of business, or on property under such person’s ownership or control...."
    There are a number of affirmative defenses, including where "the defendant was carrying the weapon pursuant to a concealed weapons permit" or where "the weapon was unloaded...and properly cased."

    http://www.lcav.org/states/colocalord.asp

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    Finally, moved! Took a few days, and thanks goodness not much broken furniture!

    In Broomfield, already spoke to the good folks at the Sheriff/Police Department and hopefully they won't bother me when I OC.


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    I traveled to Broomfield, from Lakewood, for the first time today. I called ahead to the Broomfield non-emergency police department number, to gain a better understanding of their ordinances. Pertaining to Broomfield, I requested information regarding any ordinance, including disorderly conduct, that may prohibit the open carry of fire arms. I was told that an officer of the law would contact me shortly with an answer.

    I got a callback on 303 4386400 from an officer (can't recall the name) and I was asked about my inquiry. I told the officer that I was made aware, by my lawyer, that the state of Colorado allows the open carry of fire arms anywhere except where posted by signage, except in Denver county where it's banned all together (paraphrasing my response). I asked him if there were currently any local bans on the open carry of fire arms and how a disorderly conduct charge could be used to restrict open carry. He said he would look into it and call me back.

    Ten minutes later
    303 4645858, sounded like the same officer, no introduction. I was told that currently, applying to public land (not private), Broomfield has an ordinance that says that anyone having a fire arm on their person is considered to be concealing the fire arm, therefor is required to have a permit to open carry Or conceal carry any fire arm in Broomfield. I was told that the only exceptions to this were in direct transport to and from a gun smith or shooting range.

    I asked if Colorado State laws preempts this local ordinance and he reiterated his first response by telling me that I cannot just carry my fire arm around in public.



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    And you're @#$%ing welcome for me doing all your homework for you. You are welcome, Pace.

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    cscitney87 do you have some sort of condition which makes you write three posts to my one post? I meet with local departments mainly to educate them about the issue, among other things, and address legal issues about OC and other firearms issues.


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    Mainly to educate and clarify. Communication is key.

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    Well, I am hoping to meet when I get a second with the Broomfield Police about the whole OC issue.
    What do you mean Pace?

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    Yeah Pace. That's it. You must be a doctor.

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    Pace, are you still having some questions about OC in Broomfield or no?

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    To some degree yes. Despite non-attorneys saying that you can do it, and that it's probably the law, that doesn't help if you are arrested and have to hire an attorney.

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    So your not trying to "educate" the police, you simply want to go in there and hear it from an officers mouth that " yes mr._____ you have the right to openly carry a firearm.. I dont blame you, its hard just walking around town UOC when everyone (average joe) says you can except the police. especially when jail is held over your head for making one wrong move..

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    No, usually when you speak to small departments and their local city attorney, and point out the issues, they are more likely to send out notices.



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    Pace wrote:
    No, usually when you speak to small departments and their local city attorney, and point out the issues, they are more likely to send out notices.

    I think your best bet would be to simply print of the statutes that are applicable to carry around with you and have a lawyer that you can trust in your cell phone. In all honesty, I would just open carry where legal and not worry about it.

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    Pace wrote:
    To some degree yes. Despite non-attorneys saying that you can do it, and that it's probably the law, that doesn't help if you are arrested and have to hire an attorney.
    I have been stopped, talk to a bit, and let go in Bloomfield.

    It took about 5-10 minutes.

    Im not in jail.

    I never called a lawyer.


    OH NO!!! I cant seem to think of anything "funny" and/or "wise" to put in my forum signature...NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! lol

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    I was detained for OC by the Castle Rock Police more than a year ago. The next day I started on a crusade to get my concerns addressed and to try to get them to admit that they were wrong. I met with the immediate superior of the officers who detained me (a Sergeant) , and he treated me even worse. I then filed formal complaints and my case was assigned to a Lieutenant.

    Over the next few days I emailed this Lieutenant everything regarding my case, the law, court decisions, evaluations from lawyers, everything. They said they would get back to me in 30 days. More than 60 days later, and after multiple calls from my State Senator's office, they finally responded. Guess what they said? "We reviewed the matter very carefully and we believe that the officers in question acted in accordance with the law and our department policies."

    News Flash - Most police departments will NEVER admit that they are wrong, nor will they ever tell you that you can legally do something that they don't like.

    As much as I sympathize with you and your wanting to "know" that what you are engaging in is perfectly legal, you're probably wasting your time. They don't want you to OC, hence they won't tell you it's legal. They best thing you can do is arm yourself (pardon the pun) with the knowledge of the law and an impartial observer (audio/video recorder) when you go out OCing.

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    entartet17 wrote:
    Dynamite Rabbit wrote:
    You have to remember that most of the people here are out-of-state transplants, MANY from California. Colorado's changed...
    +1

    That's a great point
    Well, I moved here from Kalifornia 3 years ago(after living there 36years), so don't judge all of us by the few kooks that make the news. I will say my disclaimer is that I didn't live in LA or SF.

    Now, Open Carry On.....(which is what I was doing in Castle Rock today, Kohls and StarBucks). Found out one of the fellow dads on my daughters soccer team is a Police Chief, he's the only 1 that said something to me about my carry today, and all he wanted to know what what I was carrying.

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