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    Here is your chance, while these bills deal with concealed carry in a school zone it is a start...contact the state reps and support this important first step to getting our rights back. From the NRA>>>> Louisiana: Right-to-Carry Reform Needs Your Support
    On Tuesday, April 27, the Senate Judiciary B Committee will hold a hearing on Senate Bill 81 at 9:30AM in Room E. This legislation, introduced by State Senator Daniel Martiny (R-10), would exempt concealed carry permit holders from the 1,000 foot “Gun Free School Zone.” State Representative Ernest Wooton (R-105) introduced the companion bill, House Bill 556, which is scheduled to be heard by the Committee on Administration of Criminal Justice Wednesday, April 28, at 9:30AM in room HCR-6.
    State law prohibits any individual from possessing a firearm within approximately a quarter mile of any school property, even concealed carry permit licensees. An individual does not have to know that they’re within the 1000 foot zone and the penalty for violation of this statute is a felony.
    Although the current state prohibition does not apply to possession of a firearm on or in private property (e.g. home, automobile, land, or place of business), it has very real impact on law-abiding Louisianans’ ability to protect themselves and their families in everyday situations, such as walking the dog or walking home at night from work.
    Please contact members of the Senate Judiciary B Committee and the House Committee on Administration of Criminal Justice TODAY! Respectfully urge them to support SB 81 and HB 556. Contact information for the committee members is listed below.
    Senate Judiciary B Committee
    Senator Daniel Martiny (Chairman)
    (504) 834-7676
    martinyd@legis.state.la.us
    Senator David Heitmeier (Vice-Chairman)
    (504) 361-6356
    heitmeid@legis.state.la.us
    Senator John A. Alario, Jr.
    (504) 340-2221
    alarioj@legis.state.la.us
    Senator Norby Chabert
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    chabertn@legis.state.la.us
    Senator Lydia P. Jackson
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    jacksonl@legis.state.la.us
    Senator Eric LaFleur
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    Senator Karen Carter Peterson
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    House Committee on Administration of Criminal Justice

    State Representative Ernest Wooten (R-105) Chairman
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    larep105@legis.state.la.us

    State Representative Damon J. Baldone (D-53) Vice Chairman
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    State Representative Roy Burrell (D-2)
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    State Representative Mickey James Guillory (D-41)
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    State Representative Lowell C. Hazel (R-27)
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    State Representative Frank A. Howard (R-24)
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    State Representative Walt Leger, III (D-91)
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    State Representative Joseph P. Lopinto III (R-80)
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    State Representative Barbara Norton (D-3)
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    State Representative Jonathan W. Perry (R-47)
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    State Representative Gary Smith, Jr. (D-56)
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    State Representative Charmaine Marchand Stiaes (D-99)
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    State Representative Ricky J. Templet (R-85)
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    State Representative Ledricka Johnson Thierry (D-40)
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    State Representative Mack A. "Bodi" White, Jr. (R-64)
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    Good luck guys. I really hope this passes.

    Summary of SB 81: http://www.legis.state.la.us/billdat...&billno=81
    Current text of SB 81: http://www.legis.state.la.us/billdat...asp?did=683743

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    Done. Messaged every one of em.
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Him: "I carry my gun concealed"
    Me: "You're not very good at it"
    Him: "What do you mean?"
    Me: "I know you have a gun"
    End of conversation.

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    I'm very curious as to what to tell them in an email. I fully support this, and have been watching the status of these bills as they update, but I have no idea what would be the most effective way to communicate my support in a way that is respectable in their eyes. I want them to take my message seriously.

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    James Cannon wrote:
    I'm very curious as to what to tell them in an email.* I fully support this, and have been watching the status of these bills as they update, but I have no idea what would be the most effective way to communicate my support in a way that is respectable in their eyes.* I want them to take my message seriously.
    I emailed every one on the list, I explained how the current law could accidentally make me a criminal just for trying to keep myself safe, and that I was a law abiding tax paying citizen who was trying to deal with living in a dangerous city with a lot of crime all around were I live.

    School zones were meant to keep students safe from criminals and not meant to turn tax paying, law abiding citizens into criminals in their own neighborhoods.

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    SB 81 passed the committee favorably and now goes to the Senate floor.

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    XD-GEM wrote:
    SB 81 passed the committee favorably and now goes to the Senate floor.
    Great news, hopefully everyone who wants to get our rights back to walk in our own neighborhoods without becoming a criminal just for legally carrying a gun will send some emails!!!

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    estcrh wrote:
    XD-GEM wrote:
    SB 81 passed the committee favorably and now goes to the Senate floor.
    Great news, hopefully everyone who wants to get our rights back to walk in our own neighborhoods without becoming a criminal just for legally carrying a gun will send some emails!!!
    First off... thanks XD for the update... good news...

    Unfortunately, this is not getting "rights" back. This is getting permission in lieu of a right. The state of La. still thinks it can regulate Art 1 sec 11 beyond "concealed on the person".

    We should definitely send the correspondence to our representatives because you fight any way you can, but the war still rages. I'm optimistic on the outcome of the war though... we seem to have some real fighters here in La.

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    georg jetson wrote:
    estcrh wrote:
    XD-GEM wrote:
    SB 81 passed the committee favorably and now goes to the Senate floor.
    Great news, hopefully everyone who wants to get our rights back to walk in our own neighborhoods without becoming a criminal just for legally carrying a gun will send some emails!!!
    First off... thanks XD for the update... good news...

    Unfortunately, this is not getting "rights" back. This is getting permission in lieu of a right. The state of La. still thinks it can regulate Art 1 sec 11 beyond "concealed on the person".

    We should definitely send the correspondence to our representatives because you fight any way you can, but the war still rages. I'm optimistic on the outcome of the war though... we seem to have some real fighters here in La.
    Ok Mr NEGATIVE!! were not getting our rights back..boo hoo...we are getting PERMISSION!! Unless you are willing to spend YOUR own personal money to try to fight for your rights then this is as good as it gets for the time being, just write to these people whatever you think this will do for you.

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    estcrh wrote:
    georg jetson wrote:
    estcrh wrote:
    XD-GEM wrote:
    SB 81 passed the committee favorably and now goes to the Senate floor.
    Great news, hopefully everyone who wants to get our rights back to walk in our own neighborhoods without becoming a criminal just for legally carrying a gun will send some emails!!!
    First off... thanks XD for the update... good news...

    Unfortunately, this is not getting "rights" back. This is getting permission in lieu of a right. The state of La. still thinks it can regulate Art 1 sec 11 beyond "concealed on the person".

    We should definitely send the correspondence to our representatives because you fight any way you can, but the war still rages. I'm optimistic on the outcome of the war though... we seem to have some real fighters here in La.
    Ok Mr NEGATIVE!! were not getting our rights back..boo hoo...we are getting PERMISSION!! Unless you are willing to spend YOUR own personal money to try to fight for your rights then this is as good as it gets for the time being, just write to these people whatever you think this will do for you.
    Dude, chill. I'm waiting to see what happens with all of this. Hoping for more good news.

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    It still has to pass the entire Senate and then go through the process in the House. The is an identical bill in the House - HB 556 - which will be heard in the House Criminal Justice Committee on Wednesday morning. I think it will also pass, but there are enough anti-gunners on this committee that it could be a problem.

    The LSA President posted on BayouShooter.com that the Education lobby is seeking to modify the bills to ensure that they do not permit campus carry. I've read both bills, and they seem pretty straightforward to me in already doing that. We need to keep vigilant on this to see what modifications get put forward.

    Any amendments added on the floor of either chamber will have NO public debate or input, so contact your Rep/Sen and tell them where you stand now.

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    estcrh wrote:
    georg jetson wrote:
    estcrh wrote:
    XD-GEM wrote:
    SB 81 passed the committee favorably and now goes to the Senate floor.
    Great news, hopefully everyone who wants to get our rights back to walk in our own neighborhoods without becoming a criminal just for legally carrying a gun will send some emails!!!
    First off... thanks XD for the update... good news...

    Unfortunately, this is not getting "rights" back. This is getting permission in lieu of a right. The state of La. still thinks it can regulate Art 1 sec 11 beyond "concealed on the person".

    We should definitely send the correspondence to our representatives because you fight any way you can, but the war still rages. I'm optimistic on the outcome of the war though... we seem to have some real fighters here in La.
    Ok Mr NEGATIVE!! were not getting our rights back..boo hoo...we are getting PERMISSION!! Unless you are willing to spend YOUR own personal money to try to fight for your rights then this is as good as it gets for the time being, just write to these people whatever you think this will do for you.
    Just because you live in a fantasy world and need to have a master give you permission to carry a gun doesn't mean others here have to do the same. Why don't you take your crap posts to a concealed carry forum, because that seems to be all you post here on OPENcarry.org.

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    barf wrote:
    estcrh wrote:
    georg jetson wrote:
    estcrh wrote:
    XD-GEM wrote:
    SB 81 passed the committee favorably and now goes to the Senate floor.
    Great news, hopefully everyone who wants to get our rights back to walk in our own neighborhoods without becoming a criminal just for legally carrying a gun will send some emails!!!
    First off... thanks XD for the update... good news...

    Unfortunately, this is not getting "rights" back. This is getting permission in lieu of a right. The state of La. still thinks it can regulate Art 1 sec 11 beyond "concealed on the person".

    We should definitely send the correspondence to our representatives because you fight any way you can, but the war still rages. I'm optimistic on the outcome of the war though... we seem to have some real fighters here in La.
    Ok Mr NEGATIVE!! were not getting our rights back..boo hoo...we are getting PERMISSION!! Unless you are willing to spend YOUR own personal money to try to fight for your rights then this is as good as it gets for the time being, just write to these people whatever you think this will do for you.
    Just because you live in a fantasy world and need to have a master give you permission to carry a gun doesn't mean others here have to do the same.* Why don't you take your crap posts to a concealed carry forum, because that seems to be all you post here on OPENcarry.org.
    Puke vomit???

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    XD-GEM wrote:
    It still has to pass the entire Senate and then go through the process in the House.* The is an identical bill in the House - HB 556 - which will be heard in the House Criminal Justice Committee on Wednesday morning.* I think it will also pass, but there are enough anti-gunners on this committee that it could be a problem.

    The LSA President posted on BayouShooter.com that the Education lobby is seeking to modify the bills to ensure that they do not permit campus carry.* I've read both bills, and they seem pretty straightforward to me in already doing that.* We need to keep vigilant on this to see what modifications get put forward.*

    Any amendments added on the floor of either chamber will have NO public debate or input, so contact your Rep/Sen and tell them where you stand now.
    XD-GEM were are you getting your info, can you post a link? As you know my neighborhhood has 2 schools within a few blocks of each other making the whole damn place a school zone. This bill would help a lot of people to protect themselves without having to worry about being arrested on their own street. You were at the 8th dist police meeting were Lt Selby warned (threatened) anyone who wanted to carry a gun in the Quarter about the school zones I believe.

    The 8th district police use these school zones to intimidate anyone who brings up the subject of open carry or concealed carry. Since the Quarter is 13 by 6 blocks the 2 school zones take up a lot of this space, and no one really knows were the borders of these zones are, add to that the fact that many houses are in the zone so people here are worried about walking out their doors and being automatically in a school zone.

    I am sure there are plenty of other people all over the city who have the same problem and would start to carry a weapon to protect themselves in their own neighborhood if they could do it WITHIN THE LAW!!!!!!

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    The Louisiana Shooting Association is hosting a blog. You can get to it at either of these links, the first is the LSA home page where you can find a link, the second is the mirrored site at Bayoushooter.com.

    http://www.louisianashooting.com/

    http://www.bayoushooter.com/legislation/

    LSA President Dan Zelenka has also posted in some of the forums on BayouShooter.com.

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    estcrh wrote:
    barf wrote:
    estcrh wrote:
    georg jetson wrote:
    estcrh wrote:
    XD-GEM wrote:
    SB 81 passed the committee favorably and now goes to the Senate floor.
    Great news, hopefully everyone who wants to get our rights back to walk in our own neighborhoods without becoming a criminal just for legally carrying a gun will send some emails!!!
    First off... thanks XD for the update... good news...

    Unfortunately, this is not getting "rights" back. This is getting permission in lieu of a right. The state of La. still thinks it can regulate Art 1 sec 11 beyond "concealed on the person".

    We should definitely send the correspondence to our representatives because you fight any way you can, but the war still rages. I'm optimistic on the outcome of the war though... we seem to have some real fighters here in La.
    Ok Mr NEGATIVE!! were not getting our rights back..boo hoo...we are getting PERMISSION!! Unless you are willing to spend YOUR own personal money to try to fight for your rights then this is as good as it gets for the time being, just write to these people whatever you think this will do for you.
    Just because you live in a fantasy world and need to have a master give you permission to carry a gun doesn't mean others here have to do the same. Why don't you take your crap posts to a concealed carry forum, because that seems to be all you post here on OPENcarry.org.
    Puke vomit???
    Another quality post by estcrh. Why does he continue to dodge any issues or questions posed to him? Why does he need a master to give him permission to carry a gun? Why does he continue to post concealed carry information on an open carry site?



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    XD-GEM wrote:
    The Louisiana Shooting Association is hosting a blog.* You can get to it at either of these links, the first is the LSA home page where you can find a link, the second is the mirrored site at Bayoushooter.com.

    http://www.louisianashooting.com/

    http://www.bayoushooter.com/legislation/

    LSA President Dan Zelenka has also posted in some of the forums on BayouShooter.com.
    XD-GEN, thanks for the info, I am sure any RATIONAL open carry or concealed carry individual will support this effort to keep gun owners from becoming criminals. No one who is not a criminal deserves to go to JAIL for simply walking into some invisible make believe zone!! I support ANY bill that helps ANYONE WHO CARRIES AT ALL. read this if you do not understand the importance if the bills>>>>>>>

    "Senate Bill 81 (CCH carry within 1,000′ of school) cleared the Senate Judiciary B committee this morning without objection from the committee members though it was clear they were hearing the concerns of higher education that the bill might lead to problems.

    HB556, along with the other firearm bills noted in yesterday’s post, will be heard Wednesday morning and is identical. It would really be helpful for the committee members of the House Administration of Criminal Justice to hear from you, the legitimate firearms owners about how you feel on this bill.

    Remember folks, these bills address the problem a law abiding citizen who has a permit would face should he/she be out of their car, but within 1,000′ of a school they don’t even know about. Current law makes this a 5 year felony and lack of knowledge of the presence of the school is NOT a defense provided under the existing law. It also doesn’t matter whether school is in session or not.

    When plotted on a map, these zone cover an average of two to three city blocks. Do you know what is three blocks away when your car has a flat tire when traveling through a different city? You’d better if you don’t feel like lending your support to get this bill passed."

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    This thread regarding concealed carry legislation is inappropriate for an open carry site.

    Your advice to users here to retain a concealed carry permit for open carry is inappropriate.




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    barf wrote:
    This thread regarding concealed carry legislation is inappropriate for an open carry site.*

    Your advice to users here to retain a concealed carry permit for open carry is inappropriate.*


    Noun 1. barf - the matter ejected in vomiting
    vomit, vomitus, puke
    body waste, excrement, excreta, excretory product, excretion - waste matter (as urine or sweat but especially feces) discharged from the body
    Verb 1. barf - eject the contents of the stomach through the mouth; "After drinking too much, the students vomited"; "He purged continuously"; "The patient regurgitated the food we gave him last night"
    be sick, puke, regorge, retch, sick, throw up, upchuck, vomit, vomit up, disgorge, cat, spue, spew, regurgitate, chuck, honk, purge, cast
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    estcrh wrote:
    barf wrote:
    This thread regarding concealed carry legislation is inappropriate for an open carry site.

    Your advice to users here to retain a concealed carry permit for open carry is inappropriate.


    Noun 1. barf - the matter ejected in vomiting
    vomit, vomitus, puke
    body waste, excrement, excreta, excretory product, excretion - waste matter (as urine or sweat but especially feces) discharged from the body
    Verb 1. barf - eject the contents of the stomach through the mouth; "After drinking too much, the students vomited"; "He purged continuously"; "The patient regurgitated the food we gave him last night"
    be sick, puke, regorge, retch, sick, throw up, upchuck, vomit, vomit up, disgorge, cat, spue, spew, regurgitate, chuck, honk, purge, cast
    egest, excrete, eliminate, pass - eliminate from the body; "Pass a kidney stone"
    Yes, I understand estcrh - you apparently lack sufficient mental capacity to back up what you say, you don't understand your rights as a citizen, and you need to ask the government for permission to carry a firearm. All admirable traits for an inner-city Democrat from New Orleans.



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    Correct me if I am wrong here, but I would think that if such legislation was passed it would be a good thing for OC. The reason being in my opinion it would be a sure fire case to argue under the equal protection clause.

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    Summit_Ace wrote:
    Correct me if I am wrong here, but I would think that if such legislation was passed it would be a good thing for OC. The reason being in my opinion it would be a sure fire case to argue under the equal protection clause.
    I agree, just getting anti gun people and politicians to see that the average citizen can walk past a school with a gun and not suddenly start shooting everything in site is a good start. The opposite of this is.....whats to keep them from making the school zones even larger??? 2000ft..whole neighborhoods...or even cities...this is a start back to sanity and I will take anything I can get at the moment.... without WHINING that its not enough!

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    What really erks me is when people post a topic like this and you have someone get all bent cause it is not directly about open carry. It still effects us.

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    barf wrote:
    estcrh wrote:
    barf wrote:
    This thread regarding concealed carry legislation is inappropriate for an open carry site.*

    Your advice to users here to retain a concealed carry permit for open carry is inappropriate.*


    Noun 1. barf - the matter ejected in vomiting
    vomit, vomitus, puke
    body waste, excrement, excreta, excretory product, excretion - waste matter (as urine or sweat but especially feces) discharged from the body
    Verb 1. barf - eject the contents of the stomach through the mouth; "After drinking too much, the students vomited"; "He purged continuously"; "The patient regurgitated the food we gave him last night"
    be sick, puke, regorge, retch, sick, throw up, upchuck, vomit, vomit up, disgorge, cat, spue, spew, regurgitate, chuck, honk, purge, cast
    egest, excrete, eliminate, pass - eliminate from the body; "Pass a kidney stone"
    Yes, I understand estcrh - you apparently lack sufficient mental capacity to back up what you say, you don't understand your rights as a citizen, and you need to ask the government for permission to carry a firearm.* All admirable traits for an inner-city Democrat from New Orleans.

    Projectile vomiting (barfing, puking) in children can be a frightening experience for parents. This is a form of vomiting where the stomach (or really stupid thoughts)contents are forcibly pushed out of the body through vigorous vomiting. Projectile vomiting can strain the esophagus and stomach (and our intelligence). While projectile vomiting can be a short-lived event(lets hope so in this case) in many children, it can also be an indication of serious health(mental health) issues. Dehydration is a significant risk, particularly if the vomiting continues over a period of several days or longer and is accompanied with fever(delusions) and diarrhea (of the mouth).

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    Summit_Ace wrote:
    Correct me if I am wrong here, but I would think that if such legislation was passed it would be a good thing for OC. The reason being in my opinion it would be a sure fire case to argue under the equal protection clause.
    What equal protection clause?

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