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School property carry

maustin195

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Iwas under the impression that you could OC with a CPL on school property. Now I have read on another site that you still could be asked to leave and charged if you don't. Is that a correct statement? If so who would have the authority to ask you to leave.?
 

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SIGfreed wrote:
IMO, a private school could ask you to leave, a public school could not. Can you post a link to this other site?

IMO, a school district is not a listed preempted "local unit of government", and can therefore prohibit firearms on their controlled property, and thusly ask anyone to leave.
 

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zigziggityzoo wrote:
SIGfreed wrote:
IMO, a private school could ask you to leave, a public school could not. Can you post a link to this other site?

IMO, a school district is not a listed preempted "local unit of government", and can therefore prohibit firearms on their controlled property, and thusly ask anyone to leave.
Also you could be shot by high schoolers and have your gun taken.
 

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FatboyCykes wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
SIGfreed wrote:
IMO, a private school could ask you to leave, a public school could not. Can you post a link to this other site?

IMO, a school district is not a listed preempted "local unit of government", and can therefore prohibit firearms on their controlled property, and thusly ask anyone to leave.
Also you could be shot by high schoolers and have your gun taken.

:what:
 

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zigziggityzoo wrote:
SIGfreed wrote:
IMO, a private school could ask you to leave, a public school could not. Can you post a link to this other site?

IMO, a school district is not a listed preempted "local unit of government", and can therefore prohibit firearms on their controlled property, and thusly ask anyone to leave.
Is a library considered a "local unit of government" like Ferndale? Is there a list of what qualifies as a "local unit of government"?
 

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MarineSgt wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
SIGfreed wrote:
IMO, a private school could ask you to leave, a public school could not. Can you post a link to this other site?

IMO, a school district is not a listed preempted "local unit of government", and can therefore prohibit firearms on their controlled property, and thusly ask anyone to leave.
Is a library considered a "local unit of government" like Ferndale? Is there a list of what qualifies as a "local unit of government"?

A library is either city controlled, or district controlled. in instances where it's a joint effort (as is the case most of the time), where the powers held separately do not match, only the powers jointly are the ones the joint effort are able to exercise.
 

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zigziggityzoo wrote:
MarineSgt wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
SIGfreed wrote:
IMO, a private school could ask you to leave, a public school could not. Can you post a link to this other site?

IMO, a school district is not a listed preempted "local unit of government", and can therefore prohibit firearms on their controlled property, and thusly ask anyone to leave.
Is a library considered a "local unit of government" like Ferndale? Is there a list of what qualifies as a "local unit of government"?

A library is either city controlled, or district controlled. in instances where it's a joint effort (as is the case most of the time), where the powers held separately do not match, only the powers jointly are the ones the joint effort are able to exercise.
Can I get a mapfor that statement?
 

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Venator wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
MarineSgt wrote:
zigziggityzoo wrote:
SIGfreed wrote:
IMO, a private school could ask you to leave, a public school could not. Can you post a link to this other site?

IMO, a school district is not a listed preempted "local unit of government", and can therefore prohibit firearms on their controlled property, and thusly ask anyone to leave.
Is a library considered a "local unit of government" like Ferndale? Is there a list of what qualifies as a "local unit of government"?

A library is either city controlled, or district controlled. in instances where it's a joint effort (as is the case most of the time), where the powers held separately do not match, only the powers jointly are the ones the joint effort are able to exercise.
Can I get a map for that statement?

:) Clear as mud.
 

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mikestilly wrote:
I will be doing my first school OC at the next parent teacher conferences :)
Do you belive they would have the right to ask you to leave?
 

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zigziggityzoo wrote:
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A library is either city controlled, or district controlled. in instances where it's a joint effort (as is the case most of the time), where the powers held separately do not match, only the powers jointly are the ones the joint effort are able to exercise.

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zigziggityzoo

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Zukirider wrote:
i have heard enough guess's some what to  CITE something to back there statements?

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-Article-VII-28

§ 28 Governmental functions and powers; joint administration, costs and credits, transfers.
Sec. 28.

The legislature by general law shall authorize two or more counties, townships, cities, villages or districts, or any combination thereof among other things to: enter into contractual undertakings or agreements with one another or with the state or with any combination thereof for the joint administration of any of the functions or powers which each would have the power to perform separately; share the costs and responsibilities of functions and services with one another or with the state or with any combination thereof which each would have the power to perform separately; transfer functions or responsibilities to one another or any combination thereof upon the consent of each unit involved; cooperate with one another and with state government; lend their credit to one another or any combination thereof as provided by law in connection with any authorized publicly owned undertaking.

Any other provision of this constitution notwithstanding, an officer or employee of the state or any such unit of government or subdivision or agency thereof, except members of the legislature, may serve on or with any governmental body established for the purposes set forth in this section and shall not be required to relinquish his office or employment by reason of such service.

There's another section of the law where this is defined more clearly, but this is how it's stated in the MI Constitution.

Basically, if any two sections of government enter into a joint operation, the joint operation is only able to exercise the powers that the two separate organizations would have had.

This is so that a School District and, say, a county, cannot join together to make Ann Arbor Public Schools Police - as the district does not have the power to have its own police force.
 

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FatboyCykes wrote:
mikestilly wrote:
maustin195 wrote:
mikestilly wrote:
I will be doing my first school OC at the next parent teacher conferences :)
Do you belive they would have the right to ask you to leave?

No idea. Hope not but anything is possible.
Reread the question Stilly!

Thanks Mike. Yes I will leave if asked by a school official.
 

zigziggityzoo

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SIGfreed wrote:
Ok, so even though a school is public property they can still ask you leave as if it private? Can someone please list the relevant statutes?

MCL 123.1102 only restricts certain "Local Units of Government" - those being Cities, Townships, Counties, and Municipalities.

A School District is not listed - and is a completely separate unit of government from a City, County, etc.

Therefore, a School District may restrict carry on property they control.
 
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