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    Hi all, I am going to buy either the Kimber Warrior or the Springfield XD Tactical 45 acp. I will be using it for target and carry on search and rescue in the woods and mountains. I will put at least 10-20K rounds through either in a short period of time and 45 acp is expensive. I know the 1911 has a 22 conversion kit witch will make up the price difference of the guns in less then 4000 rounds. Both feel goodto hold and aim. I am looking to compare the Durability, Accuracy, Reliability, Safety, Cost (including ammo) and working in harsh conditions. Any comments would be appreciated.


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    :shock:If you have the cash to enable you to put 10,000-20,000 rounds of .45acp through a firearm in a short period of time, then I would imagine that you also have the money to be able to comfortably afford BOTH guns. So I say just buy both of them.

    EDIT: The cheapest .45 ball ammo I've seen (other than reloads) is the Federal Champion line that can (sometimes) be found at Wal-Mart for around $16 for 50 rounds, and that is if you are lucky enough to find it. Let's assume that you can find it, and that you don't even have to worry about the 6-box per customer per day limit. That works out to $3200 for 10k rounds or $6400 for 20k.

    I'm guessing the XD can be had for no more than $700. Let's do the math. Buy the Kimber, then just buy 2200 rounds less (using the above figures, this will save you $704) than what you had originally planned, and you have the money for both guns.

    This is a no-brainer (for me, at least)
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    One of my problems is I don't haveenough money to put that many rounds on 45 acp but I can do it with 22 which is way I like the conversion kit so much also in the town I am in other issues I can only get one of them. So if I get the XD I will be forced to shoot less. Any thoughts on compering the two?

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    One of my problems is I don't haveenough money to put that many rounds on 45 acp but I can do it with 22 which is way I like the conversion kit so much also in the town I am in other issues I can only get one of them. So if I get the XD I will be forced to shoot less. Any thoughts on compering the two?

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    well i can tell you kimbers quality control has been slipping the past couple of years. if you can find one from around 4 years ago, i'd get the kimber.

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    OK.. I was just going off of what you said. You originally said that "I will put at least 10-20K rounds through either in a short period of time and 45 acp is expensive."

    Maybe I'm just weird, but I don't understand why anyone would want to convert a Kimber 1911 to shoot .22's.


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    Sorry, I did say either, thanks for your responses. The reason I would want the ability to convert to 22 is to work on accuracy. I have not shot handguns too much and want to practice a lot without costing thousands of dollars. I will alsofire 45s often to get used to that ammo as well.The conversions is only one part ofwhat I am trying to find out, I am more interested in compering the two guns.

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    well to be honest, if you're going brand new, i'd go with the springfeild.

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    IMO, the Springfield is the better choice as a first/only handgun. Some will no doubt flame me for saying that, but it is my opinion, so no flame wars, please.

    Honestly, if you do buy the Kimber, I think you'll find that it is going to feel VERY different shooting .45's vs. .22's. If you plan on carrying this gun for self defense, I think you should practice shooting .45's, and NOT .22's, as this is what you would be shooting when your life is potentially on the line.
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    I have the XD and two kimbers, but neither is the one you are considering. My two Kimbers are not what I would want to take into the woods. But that is because one is the Grand Raptor and the Ultra Raptor and I would hate to get them scratched up.

    But, one can look at it from the perspective of which gun is the best built pistol that I would trust my life to, it would be one of my Kimbers. I don't see where it is written that firing .22 through a .45 is going to put your life at risk. Most people by a .22 conversion kit so they can shoot said gun more often.

    You could shoot .45 to get comfortable with the recoil, etc., then shoot .22 and you are still holding the same grip, pulling the same trigger, etc. If you look at it from the perspective of only shooting .45, you will shoot as often as you can afford it versus shooting .22 and therefore shooting the SAME pistol much more often - I say Kimber

    I, personally, think I need to change my outlook on my Kimbers. I have my most expensive, best built and hand fitted pistols sitting at home while I trust my life to a DA polymer pistol, when I really prefer SA.

    I hadn't heard that Kimber's workman ship has declined in recent years. Mine were purchased quite awhile ago, so that is not something that I have to take into consideration.

    I should have looked at your Kimber choice, but the last time I looked (quite awhile ago) Kimber made SA pistols. If so, you have to also decide about SA vs DA. Many consider DA is safer, when in reality, if you pull the trigger - it goes Boom. On most of the SA's I have, if you 'turn' the safety off, then depress the grip safety at the same time the trigger is pulled. then it goes Bang. Which one is the safest to you.

    Lastly, if by wearing a Kimber you will constantly worry about scratches, etc., then you are better off with a XD. You also need to consider weight differences, number of rounds, etc

    So, this is something that may require a sheet of paper wfere you list each pistol across the top and write all the pros and cons under each one.

    It is something that I haven't quite decided for certain yet. So, only you can decide for you. I just wanted to give you some things to consider. I'll go look at the Kimber, that you are considering, and contact you if I see anything major to consider - if you would like.

    But my decision, right now, would be for the Kimber based on having the .22 conversion allowing more practice time.

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    open4years, If you don't mine it would be great if you look at the specific guns to let me know what you think, Thanks.

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    I have the Kimber tactical ultra ( 3 in. bbl. ) I bought this pistol in 2008 and have had no problems with it. I had 2 FTF and one stovepipe in the first 50 rounds. That was it. nothing since.

    I have shot a SAxd in .40 s&w with a 4 in. bbl. . Accurracy seemed to be about the same . The only problem I had with it was that I wasn't letting the trigger return far enough to reset sometimes.

    Either pistol would do you fine for what you want but haveing the conversion for the Kimber, so you can shoot .22's ,would be the cheaper way to shoot. I wish I could get a .22 conversion for my 3 in. bbl Kimber.

    Good luck , which ever you choose.

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    jayspapa wrote:
    I have the Kimber tactical ultra ( 3 in. bbl. ) I bought this pistol in 2008 and have had no problems with it. I had 2 FTF and one stovepipe in the first 50 rounds.
    Your first two sentences seem to contradict one another.

    Going back to the original debate between the two guns.... Although it may be cheaper to shoot .22's, and it IS the same grip, trigger, etc., my earlier suggestion to practice with the .45's instead is mainly due to the differences when shooting in bursts. Try shooting 3 & 4-shot bursts with .45's and then do the same with .22's. Big difference. If all you're doing when you practice is taking controlled single shots, then its not as big a deal. I prefer to practice taking between 2 & 4 shots at a time, rapidly, to better emulate defensive shooting. It is a lot easier to keep shots on target like this with a .22 than with a .45. Hence my earlier advice.

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    Thanks for your inputs, does anyone know how durable,accurate, andreliable each of the guns are and how they would compare to each other in this field. Has anyone fired both of these, if so witch one feels better?

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    Ruger,

    I don't consider haveing 3 jams out of the first 50 roundsfired , a problem out of a brand new gun. Many different brandsof FMJ to several different brands of JHP. There have been no other troubles with 4000 - 5000 rounds through it.

    As to shooting .22's out of his Kimber , I don't remember the OP saying he wasn't going to shoot .45's as well. You are correct , and I believe the OP knows that to stay in practice , you have to shoot several shots in a row to practice control and staying on target with the .45 . But by shooting the ..22's , he can still get out more oftenand practice the trigger pull and grip position and havefun while doing it .

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    I would buy the springfield and a22 ruger mk3.

    I have also seen that there are conversion kits for glocks out there. I don't know if it is for a fourty five or not. I do know that they have them for the 9mm's though.
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    tcmech wrote:
    I would buy the springfield and a22 ruger mk3.

    I have also seen that there are conversion kits for glocks out there. I don't know if it is for a fourty five or not. I do know that they have them for the 9mm's though.
    22 LR Conversion Kits for G20/21, as well as other Glocks.

    http://www.glockworld.com/category/1...sion_Kits.aspx

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    If your looking for a .22 in the 1911 platform you might want to take a look at the Chaippa Puma 1911-.22 you can get it for around 300$ http://www.tds-us.com/viewitem.php/t...A_PUMA_1911-22

    Im not fimiliar with the kimber 22. conversion kits but i would imagine they are around the same price as the Chiappa 1911-.22, so personally i would go with that and the xd but since im a Glock guy I would go with the the Glock 21.

    Hope that helps.

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    halljt3 wrote:
    so personally i would go with that and the xd but since im a Glock guy I would go with the the Glock 21.

    Hope that helps.
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    I <3 my Glock 21
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    Jverd,

    Getting to your point. For durability, accuracyand service both are great guns.

    As for which is better - that is really up to you and your specific needs. When you really look at these two (Kimber SA 1911 versus a DA type semi) they are really different.

    If you wanted to compare a 1911 to another 1911 type gun then that would be a bit easier.

    For Trigger and overall accuracy the Kimber 1911 would mostly win. For just capacity the XD (13+1 versus 8+1). Both are very durableand made by well known gun manufacturers. Cost wise the Kimber is about $1100 versus XD $600 (these are very rough estimates).

    Now for fit in hand... it's very subjective. It only matters to you what feels good. My hands are different as almost everyone else. What may feel good to me may not be so for you. Also what feels good at the store may be a whole different matter when you shoot it. So, if you can.... go shoot it at a rental gun range.

    Going back to capacity - since the Kimber is a single stacked gun - it's much slimmer. The XD being double stacked is a bit wider in the grip. All this goes back to what you feel.

    So, let's step back a minute and review. Your relatively new to pistols. Jumping into a 45 will be challenging but not impossible by any stretch. Just know this ahead of time.

    I would strongly suggest you take some instruction from aprofessional instructor. I say this so you don't learn the bad habits and costly long term effects of learning on your own. So take a bit and invest - go to a gun range and rent the guns and shoot them and go find an instructor. This initial investment will save you years and a lot of wasted ammo trying to "un learn" the bad habits one picks up when they are new to pistol shooting.
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    dont worry jverd, .45s are not the hand cannons most make them out to be, although i agree, if you're new to pistols, it will be a little harder to learn on.

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    So to put into some more detail on shooting a 45ACP.

    It also depends on the size and weight of the gun. Say you shoot the same ammo of 45ACP in a 3" light weight little compact 1911 versus a full size stainless frame. The recoil will bedifferent even though you are shooting the same ammo.

    The smaller and lighter the gun the more recoil, regardless of caliber compared to a full size and heavier frame gun.

    Let us know which one you finally end up with and why.


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    I bought my XD 45 a year or more ago. From the box I have not yet missed a target wit nary a round. at $495 brand spankin new it's by far the best weapon I have ever owned. I have heard nothing but foul words about Kimbers,,too finicky about what they're fed and failures to feed and extract. My brother has had the same experience with his XD45 and they are now coming out with the XDM in 45. Just my opinion is all. Ypu'll spend no less than 1200$ for a Kimber. But hey, you do what you want.
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    Jverd wrote:
    open4years, If you don't mine it would be great if you look at the specific guns to let me know what you think, Thanks.
    I apologize for not reading this sooner. I haven't read beyond this post, so you may have already made your decision. I did look at the Kimber that you are/were considering and it seems to be a good choice. I don't have a tactical XD, but I have the XD Compact .45. The main complaint about my XD is the slide is very hard to rack. It is so much harder than any of my pistols and I'm considering if I need such a pistol for SD, when I might not be able to clear a malfuntion. However, from asking questions on a XD forum, this seems to only be the case with the compact.

    I don't recall if you have shot both. If that is at all possible, I would do that first. I don't know if you have shot both SA and DA. There are so many factors to consider such as: weight difference, capacity, SA vs DA, size, etc.

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