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    Hello everyone. I have been lurking here for quite some time, but this article on the front page made me sick. http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_14971038

    This is from the front page.

    I tell you, I am the slave who posted second.

    this is my rebut:
    Well, let me say this: I am a middle age man with a black mom, and a Jewish dad. My dad' parents where holocaust survivors, my Mom was a southern black during the very racial 50-70's. I know what it is to have rights taken. I voted for Obama, am damn proud to say it. I stood up to many of repubs where I work, and told them all what I felt. That said, this article, your opinion and this writer's opinions make me sick. I am college educated professional. I hate the tea party movement. I voted blue several times. The 2nd amendment is the key to our future. Idiots like you will let someone take your freedom away. The first thing Hitler did was ban the handgun. My grandparents died in their in thier 60's due to damage done in a concentration camp. They sported a brand and a tattoo to prove it, lived like sheep, forced to labor. You fight for your future, or it will be taken from you, and it doesn't matter if you are a democrat or not. Wisen up, pay attention.
    I hate that all democrats are painted as anti gun whackos.

    I hate that all Obama supporters, that is a lot of what I see here, are classified as anti gun.

    I hate that black people are often called thugs.

    I am a middle aged, black male, ex military independant voter who supports Obama, because he was the smartest candidate running in '08.

    Why do all gun owners and gun right supporters have to be crazy wack jobs who want to make Obama look bad? Why do a lot of gun owners feel the need to inject politics into this? These are not my feelings, but I am questioning why people think we gun owners are this way. I am not a whack job, and I don't want to make Obama look bad.

    Why can't I just be a man, who wants to protect my family and use the rights I was given by God and the founding fathers?

    This isn't directed at the forum here, as I support this place, and am a concealed carrier, as well as an open carrier. I feel like once we get race and politics out of this argument we can get our movement going forward and we can all live in a more safe world.

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    Well said....
    "If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." -- Samuel Adams, 1776

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    You want race and politics out of it but then you sign up with a name like "Slave".

    I agree with what youre saying by the way.


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    CantonDad wrote:
    You want race and politics out of it but then you sign up with a name like "Slave".

    I agree with what youre saying by the way.
    .+1
    "If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." -- Samuel Adams, 1776

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    FWIW, you're not the only one here that voted for Obama.

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    I'm sure a lot of you gun toting crazies voted for Obama... Ol crazy people. :celebrate

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    I bet this slave guy is some young white guy just talking too much and making stuff up.
    In a situation when seconds count-The police will be there in minutes.

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    Recoil88 wrote:
    I bet this slave guy is some young white guy just talking too much and making stuff up.
    lmao....hi recoil....hows life?
    "If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." -- Samuel Adams, 1776

    An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject

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    Slave wrote:
    Why do all gun owners and gun right supporters have to be crazy wack jobs who want to make Obama look bad? Why do a lot of gun owners feel the need to inject politics into this? These are not my feelings, but I am questioning why people think we gun owners are this way.
    I guess if the people who think that way about gun owners were anything but an insignificant minority of anti-gun nuts, I would care. But they aren't, and I don't. Why does this insignificant minority of anti-gun nuts think this way about gun owners? Hoplophobia is a phobia. A phobia is an irrational fear.Sorry, but there's no explanation for some folk's mental baggage. You just have to encourage them to seek therapy.


    . . . I support this place, and am a concealed carrier, as well as an open carrier. I feel like once we get race and politics out of this argument we can get our movement going forward and we can all live in a more safe world.
    Issues of race and politics in gun-rights are manufactured only by those opposed to gun rights, in an attempt to obfuscate the clearly rational justification for gun rights. What issues of race or politics do you see coming from gun owners themselves in their argument for gun rights? I see none. Gun owners' arguments are about gun rights.

    I like what you say about removing these obfuscations and getting the OC movement "going forward". Tell us about your personal efforts in these endeavors with your own friends,family, and community.
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    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." --M. K. Gandhi

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    LOL! no, I'm not really. http://www.modgear.com I am Timothy. Oh yeah, we make pamphlets!! I am actually starting a gun club with co workers at my 9-5 job.

    I also preach gun rights everywhere I go.

    My wife, sister, aunt all carry, I insisted it.

    I educated my kids.

    I am a fierce believer in people's rights. It's in my blood.

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    http://www.modgear.com
    HI GUYS MY NAMES TIMOTHY
    OBAMA FOR PREZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




    see I can be a middle aged black man too


    why would you make a name like slave if you weren't a troll

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    I disagree with the comment that Barry was the smartest candidate in 08 :what:

    He just had the right puppet masters behind him :P

    There is no difference between the R's and D's anymore.



    But I do agree with the rest of your statement
    "If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That's ridiculous. If you have a gun, what in the hell do you have to be paranoid for." Clint Smith, Director of Thunder Ranch

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    Jb said
    "I disagree with the comment that Barry was the smartest candidate in 08 :what:

    He just had the right puppet masters behind him :P

    There is no difference between the R's and D's anymore."

    Yes you are right, no there is not.springerdave.

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    The only "slaves" around here needed are EACH OF YOU according to some in the government today. Just look at the government intrusion into everyday life, usually based upon how much YOU need to be Taken Care of (READ: Controlled).

    One way to look at the Elected Politicians today is to ask this simple question:

    Is this person a Servant of the "We The People" or are they a Master "We The People"?

    I, for one, want only servants in government.
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    Slave wrote:
    I am a fierce believer in people's rights. It's in my blood.
    Hope to meet you at an OC gathering, if you are in Michigan.Put your location in your profile, if you would please. It helps with the demographic statistics on this website.
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    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." --M. K. Gandhi

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    springerdave wrote:
    Jb said
    "I disagree with the comment that Barry was the smartest candidate in 08 :what:

    He just had the right puppet masters behind him :P

    There is no difference between the R's and D's anymore."
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    Yes you are right, no there is not.springerdave.
    Uh oh, you'd better make another post soon. Your post count is at 666! :what:

    :P :P
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    Hello everyone. I have been lurking here for quite some time, but this article on the front page made me sick. http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_14971038

    This is from the front page.

    I tell you, I am the slave who posted second.

    this is my rebut:
    Well, let me say this: I am a middle age man with a black mom, and a Jewish dad. My dad' parents where holocaust survivors, my Mom was a southern black during the very racial 50-70's. I know what it is to have rights taken. I voted for Obama, am damn proud to say it. I stood up to many of repubs where I work, and told them all what I felt. That said, this article, your opinion and this writer's opinions make me sick. I am college educated professional. I hate the tea party movement. I voted blue several times. The 2nd amendment is the key to our future. Idiots like you will let someone take your freedom away. The first thing Hitler did was ban the handgun. My grandparents died in their in thier 60's due to damage done in a concentration camp. They sported a brand and a tattoo to prove it, lived like sheep, forced to labor. You fight for your future, or it will be taken from you, and it doesn't matter if you are a democrat or not. Wisen up, pay attention.
    I hate that all democrats are painted as anti gun whackos.

    I hate that all Obama supporters, that is a lot of what I see here, are classified as anti gun.

    I hate that black people are often called thugs.

    I am a middle aged, black male, ex military independant voter who supports Obama, because he was the smartest candidate running in '08.

    Why do all gun owners and gun right supporters have to be crazy wack jobs who want to make Obama look bad? Why do a lot of gun owners feel the need to inject politics into this? These are not my feelings, but I am questioning why people think we gun owners are this way. I am not a whack job, and I don't want to make Obama look bad.

    Why can't I just be a man, who wants to protect my family and use the rights I was given by God and the founding fathers?

    This isn't directed at the forum here, as I support this place, and am a concealed carrier, as well as an open carrier. I feel like once we get race and politics out of this argument we can get our movement going forward and we can all live in a more safe world.

    Well this is extremely pathetic! Ya BO was so smart he has taken everything away from Americans and given the power to the government and you didn't even notice.

    I did.

    The Dem leaders characturize their sheep followers in the manner you state and you do nothing about it. They say you're gay, you're pro illegals, you're pro abortion, you're pro global economics, on and on and on, until you're not even American any more. Your Dem leaders say you're anit-gun. What happened to American values. Yet you still bow at the alter of Obama. Again pathetic.

    You don't want racial divide, yet your leaders always characturize issues as a racial issue. BO is the most divisive leader we have ever had in my life time. He divides Americans by race, pol party and economics. All of BO's advisors are socialist in nature and push their agenda on Americans like you who fall at the foot of the oppressor. Again pathetic.

    You're Dem leaders say the Tea Partiers are racist and violent, yet no one has any evidence of that. But because they say so it is true, in your mind. Now compare the protesters in AZ that oppose enforcing legal immigration status in AZ. There is nothing in the law that requires racial profiling and in fact it prohibits racil profiling. It basically give AZ the right to enforce the FED laws. Yet may of those folks got all rieled up by you're leaders on false pretences and they were very violent these past few days. Yet you did not denounce this, nor did your so smart leaders. See, you're being lied to by your leaders and you believe them, I guess that's why they are so smart.

    NOT!


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    EM87 wrote:
    springerdave wrote:
    Jb said
    "I disagree with the comment that Barry was the smartest candidate in 08 :what:

    He just had the right puppet masters behind him :P

    There is no difference between the R's and D's anymore."

    Yes you are right, no there is not.springerdave.
    Uh oh, you'd better make another post soon. Your post count is at 666! :what:

    :P :P
    I agree that creeps me out. springerdave post post post

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    I have to say I did not read the article, but I DO AGREE with the title:

    Drummond: Carrying unloaded guns out in the open is foolish and dangerous
    I would NEVER EVER carry an UNLOADED GUN out in the open

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    Well I did read the article and it is what I would expect from the SF/Oakland, CA croud. The article is anti-gun, period. I don't know what the intent was by the OP to link the article.

    The article really exemplifies my point that the Lefties always characturize opposing views as "Crazies", in this article that would be us gun carriers.

    The article was not about carrying unloaded gunsbeing dangerous, it stated that all gun carry is dangerous and should not be allowed. In CA you cannot carry a loaded gun, the OC supporters in CA carry unloaded for 2A awareness in CA, author pissed on that idea. And went on praising a new law prohibiting carrying unloaded. They think they are safer if only the gangs have guns and not legal citizens that would protect them.

    Are there any sane thinking people in CA?




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    Well this is extremely pathetic! Ya BO was so smart he has taken everything away from Americans and given the power to the government and you didn't even notice. I did. The Dem leaders characturize their sheep followers in the manner you state and you do nothing about it. They say you're gay, you're pro illegals, you're pro abortion, you're pro global economics, on and on and on, until you're not even American any more. Your Dem leaders say you're anit-gun. What happened to American values. Yet you still bow at the alter of Obama. Again pathetic. You don't want racial divide, yet your leaders always characturize issues as a racial issue. BO is the most divisive leader we have ever had in my life time. He divides Americans by race, pol party and economics. All of BO's advisors are socialist in nature and push their agenda on Americans like you who fall at the foot of the oppressor. Again pathetic. You're Dem leaders say the Tea Partiers are racist and violent, yet no one has any evidence of that. But because they say so it is true, in your mind. Now compare the protesters in AZ that oppose enforcing legal immigration status in AZ. There is nothing in the law that requires racial profiling and in fact it prohibits racil profiling. It basically give AZ the right to enforce the FED laws. Yet may of those folks got all rieled up by you're leaders on false pretences and they were very violent these past few days. Yet you did not denounce this, nor did your so smart leaders. See, you're being lied to by your leaders and you believe them, I guess that's why they are so smart. NOT!
    You just hit my post right on.

    They are not my party.

    I voted for Ross Perot, then Clinton, then Gore, then Bush, then Obama.

    For governer, I voted for De Voss.

    Don't classify me, and tread on me. This is the exact kind of counter productive attitude we do not need to wake this country up that CRIMINALS in Washington and here in Flint run the country.

    While we get classified as republican psychos, laws are being passed that stop us from carrying.

    To all the people who flamed me, shame on you.

    I don't care how you feel about who I voted for, or why. I don't care who you voted for, or why. I do care that law abiding citizens have a right to bear arms, we need to propagate that info and live it ourselves.

    You don't even know me. The only alter I bow at is the alter of God. No man on this earth is God.

    Your rhetoric is the typical rhetoric from the far right that is just as bad as the far left.

    You just spent some time attacking me personally, just as the anti gun types need us to do. You vote red, so what, shut your mouth and vote red, I could give a damn. When it comes to gun rights, stand by me and fight.

    You spew typical Rush Limbaugh talking points, yet this is not a political discussion. Spewing that OBAMA took ALL of our rights is just as PATHETIC as saying that all repubs are crazy.

    That being said, if I saw you being robbed on that street, I would draw my weapon and defend you, as that is what I am supposed to do. You could even spew your PATHETIC talking points, and politics, I would still do it in a heart beat.

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    I will make an observation... it is better to NOT bring up who you voted for period and really politics in general tends to be a rather explosive topic and one that the forum owners would rather keep to a minimum.


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    autosurgeon wrote:
    I will make an observation... it is better to NOT bring up who you voted for period and really politics in general tends to be a rather explosive topic and one that the forum owners would rather keep to a minimum.

    yeah, I realise that, I was just so pissed off at that article that I had to finally jump in the shark tank and post.



    For me, it wasn't about who I voted for, but the anger that the author said that open carry was an anti Obama movement, and mostly racist old white men.



    I am none of that, and I am disturbed by the amout I was called a troll, and flamed for being pro 2A AND voting for Obama. One idiot even made religious references with the Alter of Obama crap.



    Sadly, we may never see our rights fully realised because of the rhetoric coming from both ends of the political spectrum, and the fact that Obama haters would rather flame a person who voted for him, at the expense of us fighting for our rights together.

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    Slave wrote:
    autosurgeon wrote:
    I will make an observation... it is better to NOT bring up who you voted for period and really politics in general tends to be a rather explosive topic and one that the forum owners would rather keep to a minimum.

    yeah, I realise that, I was just so pissed off at that article that I had to finally jump in the shark tank and post.



    For me, it wasn't about who I voted for, but the anger that the author said that open carry was an anti Obama movement, and mostly racist old white men.



    I am none of that, and I am disturbed by the amout I was called a troll, and flamed for being pro 2A AND voting for Obama. One idiot even made religious references with the Alter of Obama crap.



    Sadly, we may never see our rights fully realised because of the rhetoric coming from both ends of the political spectrum, and the fact that Obama haters would rather flame a person who voted for him, at the expense of us fighting for our rights together.
    Frankly sir, I don't think you can't come on here and start racial and political challanges and not expect conflicting views. I agree with you that you would protect me if situation arose and I would do same for you and I agree we need to stop the divisiveness, that you started.

    In your first OP (not a good impression), you made claims that gun owners classify DEMs as anti-gun crazies. My best friend is a Dem and a gun owner, and you don't know me politically, that was the most ridiculous thing to say in first post. I never slammed you personally yet you call me out personally.You gota bit flamed by others since you seemed to think you can categorize people you don't know. Not a good first impression.

    Your first post started by hating many things, then you don't make your point or contradict your supposed point.

    My gun ownership is based on family heritage and USA Constitution right. That's it.

    I'll not venture further in this since you won't confine this to the topic of OC.

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