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    So I know that the open carry movement is very diverse, and our political spectrum ranges all across the board.

    What I am curious to know is if the ACLU has ever taken any action against gun rights. I know that they think it is a collective right, andcertain satellite ACLU chapters (Nevada) have come in open support of the individual right. I can look past their personal view (for the time being) as long as they take no action AGAINST any gun issue. From my research, they have never fought against any gun right issue.

    I support their fight to defend the 1st, 4th, 5th, etc… and want to make sure I can support those without hurting my beloved 2nd.
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    flagellum wrote:
    So I know that the open carry movement is very diverse, and our political spectrum ranges all across the board.

    What I am curious to know is if the ACLU has ever taken any action against gun rights. I know that they think it is a collective right, andcertain satellite ACLU chapters (Nevada) have come in open support of the individual right. I can look past their personal view (for the time being) as long as they take no action AGAINST any gun issue. From my research, they have never fought against any gun right issue.

    I support their fight to defend the 1st, 4th, 5th, etc… and want to make sure I can support those without hurting my beloved 2nd.
    UCLU is also pro Illegal Immigration & BIG TIME Liberal.
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    There is a strong pro Second Amendment sentiment within the ACLU, as you suggest with your comment about the Nevada chapter. The South Carolina Chapter was de-certified by the National organization and the local unit is still being re-constructed.

    http://www.aclusc.org/
    American Civil Liberties Union of South Carolina The website for the ACLU of South Carolina is no longer at this location. The American Civil Liberties Union is providing for a new website for the ACLU in South Carolina. Within fifteen seconds, your browser should be redirected to the ACLU national website for information directing you to the location of the new website as soon as it is available.
    A principal in Grass Roots Gun Rights South Carolina held a similar position in the de-certified unit and may speak more directly than I can. Further, I had a neighbor even more senior that spoke often of their troubles, before I moved from South Carolina.

    Those that would damn the ACLU out of hand do not have any experience or understanding of the internal operations of the organization.


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    The ACLU is not nor will it ever be our ally or friend on gun rights...

    ACLU POSITION
    Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right.


    The ACLU is NOT to be trusted when it comes to individual rights... they don't care about individual rights... they are a collectivist organization.

    I don't damn the organization... thier own words damn themselves.

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    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    The ACLU is not nor will it ever be our ally or friend on gun rights...

    ACLU POSITION
    Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right.


    The ACLU is NOT to be trusted when it comes to individual rights... they don't care about individual rights... they are a collectivist organization.

    I don't damn the organization... thier own words damn themselves.
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    ACLU came to the Gun Rights Policy Conferenceconvention in Northern Virginia back around '04, and tried to form an alliance with RKBA organizations against Bush's infringements of the other rights in the BOR, on the theory that we would be good allies in securing 1st, 4th, and 5th Amm. rights.

    They were correct, but no agreement could be reached because they wouldn't budge on their postion on the 2nd. The irony, of course, is that those of us who do care about liberty in general will wind up fighting on their side, anyway, although wearing a different shirt.

    My take is that it was pretty extrordinary for them to even show up at such a convention, and that there must be a strong dissident population within their organization who are personally pro-RKBA, even if they won't say so out loud.

    ACLU's modern roots are the leftist activists of the 60's, but things can change. Besides, they often stand up for good causes on non-gun issues. If you think what they stand for is worth it, join them. If you're going to try to turn them our way, even better. But be prepared to meet lots of resistance.

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    ACLU should be disbanded as an 'Enemy of the State'. If they flew their true flag they'd be arrested.

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    Glock34 wrote:
    flagellum wrote:
    So I know that the open carry movement is very diverse, and our political spectrum ranges all across the board.

    What I am curious to know is if the ACLU has ever taken any action against gun rights. I know that they think it is a collective right, andcertain satellite ACLU chapters (Nevada) have come in open support of the individual right. I can look past their personal view (for the time being) as long as they take no action AGAINST any gun issue. From my research, they have never fought against any gun right issue.

    I support their fight to defend the 1st, 4th, 5th, etc… and want to make sure I can support those without hurting my beloved 2nd.
    UCLU is also pro Illegal Immigration & BIG TIME Liberal.
    I don't see what that had to do with the OP's question. If I support illegal immigration or you consider me a liberal, am I no long an ally to the OC cause? I OC and have a strong belief in RKBA, but my other politics may or may not converge with yours.

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    Look guys, I don't care if the ACLU is "Liberal" or not, those things don't mean anything to me. I was just curious if they have taken any action AGAINST the RKBA. I have not found any information showing that they have. Like the Nevada chapter, there are many who dissent on the collective opinion, and think adding to those dissenters can only mold the organization for the better.
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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    ACLU should be disbanded as an 'Enemy of the State'. If they flew their true flag they'd be arrested.
    To be called an Enemy of the State is among the highest honors a man can receive. Or have you forgotten where the term originated? (Hint: it wasn't Sean Hannity).

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    Ca Patriot wrote:
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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    ACLU should be disbanded as an 'Enemy of the State'. If they flew their true flag they'd be arrested.
    To be called an Enemy of the State is among the highest honors a man can receive. Or have you forgotten where the term originated? (Hint: it wasn't Sean Hannity).
    Who cares. The ACLU is pure garbage and should be thrown away.
    Well since you haven't presented a reason why they are so terrible, I'm not very inclined to see it your way.

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    Ca Patriot wrote:
    flagellum wrote:
    Ca Patriot wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    ACLU should be disbanded as an 'Enemy of the State'. If they flew their true flag they'd be arrested.
    To be called an Enemy of the State is among the highest honors a man can receive. Or have you forgotten where the term originated? (Hint: it wasn't Sean Hannity).
    Who cares. The ACLU is pure garbage and should be thrown away.
    Well since you haven't presented a reason why they are so terrible, I'm not very inclined to see it your way.

    Well forgive me but I naturally assume that people pay attention to the news and to politics. Is this the first time you have heard of the ACLU ?


    There is a wealth of information in books, internet and newspapers about the ACLU.

    In short, the ACLU is a secular progressive organizationthat shares NOTHING withAmerica's foundinng fathers.

    The ACLU is a Christian hating organization and they sue Christians at every opportunity they can and deny Christians their 1st Amendment rights. The latest example is the most recent Supreme Court ruling that reversed a lawsuit filed by the ACLU against a veterans group who erected a cross to honor soliders.

    I cant find a single case that the ACLU filed on behalf of gun rights.

    The ACLU is a supporter of Islamic terrorists and a supporter of illegal aliens.

    Check out who is already preparing lawsuits in Arizona over the new law enacted there.

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    I would rebuttal, but I don't see a point. I think gun rights is probably the only one single thing that we may agree upon.
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    The reason the ACLU hasnt handled a gun case (to my knowledge) is because the majority of gun owners are conservative or moderate and the ACLU is liberal for the most part. So when they have a gun case, most people go to the NRA for help.

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    After some more research, I found that the ACLU has on many occasions fought to defend gun owners (local chapters).

    Most notably, they have even fought to defend Open Carry specifically.

    http://www.opposingviews.com/p/aclu-...-open-carriers
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    well there you go. if you like everything else theyre doing, i say go for it.

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    The info is out there, you just need to open your mind and eyes.

    http://www.wwl.com/ACLU-files-suit-o...rights/4728222

    I general I also dislike the ACLU, but like a broken clock they get it right once in a while.
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    I'm still waiting for the ACLU haters to talk about the ACLU stance on RKBA. None of their other politics have anything to do with it. Do only Christians own guns? Do illegals want to take our guns away? Is suing Arizona for a law that violates civil rights somehow not in line with our goals?

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    Ummmm the new law in Arizona is unconstitutional.

    Show me papers because you are brown seem constitutional to you?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    The ACLU is not nor will it ever be our ally or friend on gun rights...

    ACLU POSITION
    Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right.


    The ACLU is NOT to be trusted when it comes to individual rights... they don't care about individual rights... they are a collectivist organization.

    I don't damn the organization... thier own words damn themselves.
    +1

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    Ummmm the new law in Arizona is unconstitutional.

    Show me papers because you are brown seem constitutional to you?
    I've read the whole law. That isn't in there--not even close.

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    Ummmm the new law in Arizona is unconstitutional.

    Show me papers because you are brown seem constitutional to you?
    25 Million plus Illegals & their Anchor babies in America taking away AMERICAN JOBS, causing Americans TAXES to go sky high to pay for illegals health care & welfare, mean while ILLEGALS PAY NO or Very Little taxes...... Do you think it's fair that Arizona Tax payers have to foot all these bills ???? !!!!!! << it's BILLIONS of dollars every year !!!! YES it seem's perfectly constitutional to me...kick ALL OF THEM Illegals out & their KIDS TOO. or let American citizens do it their own way....... a little profiling never hurt anyone....
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    Fighting on behalf of Illegals isnt a very noble cause when their very presence in the country is breaking the law. I think they had the right idea in Arizona just very very very poor execution.
    HOOAH?

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    Well, this post USED to be about the ACLU...
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    flagellum wrote:
    Well, this post USED to be about the ACLU...
    The position of the ACLU is clear....

    ACLU POSITION
    Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right.

    And in spite of them taking on a case here or there.... the official position of the ACLU is very much opposed to INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY!!!

    Read their own words if you don't agree. The ACLU has one goal... destroy the Republic and usher in a Democracy to speed up the Communist take over of this country.
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