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I've wondered about OC while on a farm tractor? Driving between fields(on public roads) and to other land is a tractor considered a "vehicle"? Would a guy have to have a CPL to OC while driving?
That's what I figured. I have my CPL so it isn't an issue for me, but I know a few others that need to get their CPL's so they can carry while tractoring.Yes, even off-roads, unless you're on your property (property you lease or own).
chevytaHOE5674 wrote:
I've wondered about OC while on a farm tractor? Driving between fields(on public roads) and to other land is a tractor considered a "vehicle"? Would a guy have to have a CPL to OC while driving?
Yes, even off-roads, unless you're on your property (property you lease or own).
zigziggityzoo wrote:chevytaHOE5674 wrote:
I've wondered about OC while on a farm tractor? Driving between fields(on public roads) and to other land is a tractor considered a "vehicle"? Would a guy have to have a CPL to OC while driving?
Yes, even off-roads, unless you're on your property (property you lease or own).
Maybe, I know farm equipment gets lots of exemptions. Further research is needed to see if Farm "vehicles" are defined or included in the term "vehicles" in the statute.
You certainly may be correct, I'm just thinking out loud.
Depends on which michigan law - the way the laws work in MI is that each statute has its own set of definitions, and if there is no definition, it's up to the courts to decide.So, is a horse a "vehicle" under Michigan Law. Can someone post relevant statutes?
sasha601 wrote:
Depends on which michigan law - the way the laws work in MI is that each statute has its own set of definitions, and if there is no definition, it's up to the courts to decide.So, is a horse a "vehicle" under Michigan Law. Can someone post relevant statutes?
The one for concealed carry (750.227) doesn't define vehicle.
No actually we have court decisions that say they favor the prosecution in this type of case. Sucks don't it.zigziggityzoo wrote:
sasha601 wrote:
Depends on which michigan law - the way the laws work in MI is that each statute has its own set of definitions, and if there is no definition, it's up to the courts to decide.So, is a horse a "vehicle" under Michigan Law. Can someone post relevant statutes?
The one for concealed carry (750.227) doesn't define vehicle.
If meaning of certain word is not defined in the statute, is it not the obligation of the court to interpret it in favor of accused? So, if person is charged with concealing without CPL while on the horse, would it be judges obligation to instruct the jury that "vehicle" definition must be interpreted in favor of accused? Is it not how our justice system works or should work?
As has been stated above, YES by dictionary definition a horse is a vehicle, so is a wheel-barrow. Gray area as Zig says. But I would like to see the prosecutor charge someone for concealed carry on a horse when the person is OCing on a horse. The outrage from the community would, I hope, be tremendous.So, is a horse a "vehicle" under Michigan Law. Can someone post relevant statutes?
sasha601 wrote:As has been stated above, YES by dictionary definition a horse is a vehicle, so is a wheel-barrow. Gray area as Zig says. But I would like to see the prosecutor charge someone for concealed carry on a horse when the person is OCing on a horse. The outrage from the community would, I hope, be tremendous.So, is a horse a "vehicle" under Michigan Law. Can someone post relevant statutes?
We have discussed this last year on this forum and lots of good data is there. Many have said there is no justice in courts just decisions and you could be charged and convicted for almost anything. One reason is that there are just too many laws.
sasha601 wrote:No actually we have court decisions that say they favor the prosecution in this type of case. Sucks don't it.zigziggityzoo wrote:
sasha601 wrote:
Depends on which michigan law - the way the laws work in MI is that each statute has its own set of definitions, and if there is no definition, it's up to the courts to decide.So, is a horse a "vehicle" under Michigan Law. Can someone post relevant statutes?
The one for concealed carry (750.227) doesn't define vehicle.
If meaning of certain word is not defined in the statute, is it not the obligation of the court to interpret it in favor of accused? So, if person is charged with concealing without CPL while on the horse, would it be judges obligation to instruct the jury that "vehicle" definition must be interpreted in favor of accused? Is it not how our justice system works or should work?
Really? I was under impression that in criminal cases definitions that are not clearly defined required to be interpreted in favor of accused. Do you have any more details on it? Perhaps some cases in the past?
) A person shall not carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her person, or, whether concealed or otherwise, in a vehicle operated or occupied by the person...