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    Needing a place to gather for some coffee and a bit of shooting the breeze, Denny's at 10802 Pacific Ave South 98444 in Tacoma Wa has welcomed us with open arms. I went in to ask if we could use a small corner of there restaurant to hold a little drink and meet of us 2nd amendment supporters and the manager said with a BIG SMILE, OF COURSE YOU CAN.
    WOW.:celebrate
    We talked a bit about the fact that a lot of the good folks would be legally carrying a hand gun into there store and was told NO PROB. As long as it doesn't get out of hand. I understand, I replied.
    Well, now we are set.
    The 1st gathering will be on 5-22-10 at 10:00am and hopefully will be on the 3rd Saturday of each month.
    Please feel free to give up Ideas and comments about this. I have never done this before and need replies and suggestions.
    Dave

    THIS IS THE 4th Saturday, not the 3rd. "This month". My Bad. See ya there.

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    OK It should of been GREETS US but its GREAT any hoo.
    I have also posted this on the Northwest Firearms forum and am looking forward to seeing some of those fine folks there too.
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    Thank you jpierce for changing that for me.

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    Sounds great, and it's close enough that I should be able to make it.
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    Very cool, way to take charge. I will be there unless something big comes up.

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    So far I have been in contact with the Tacoma police dept and Pierce Co Sheriff dept. Next is the Sheriff dept precinct that would respond to any calls they get from this. So far so good. It is important that we do this as legally as we can. And let every one know that this is happening. Its all new to me so I want to try to cover our butts. Wish us luck.
    Dave ____

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    It is going to be great! in Boise weget together every 2nd thursday of every month and is always a good meeting, lots of luck, and congratulations.

    We are going to have our 1st pic nic here in Boise, in one of the big parks, we don't know what is going to happen when people start seen a bunch of O.Ciers. :celebrate

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    Just got off the phone with the south Hill precinct and was told that this was legal and if they were called they would send some one to talk with us.
    NO PROB.
    All in all as long as we don't do any thing GOOFY or STUPID then we are good to go.
    PLEASE. If you show up, keep this in mind. WE WANT TO LOOK GOOD to the general public. Conduct your self in a manner that is socially acceptable. (no long guns, un holstered hand guns, bombs, farting, ect) LOL
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    Awesome - And that's early enough i should be free before work too. I will plan to be there too

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    69Charger wrote:
    Just got off the phone with the south Hill precinct and was told that this was legal and if they were called they would send some one to talk with us.
    NO PROB.
    All in all as long as we don't do any thing GOOFY or STUPID then we are good to go.
    PLEASE. If you show up, keep this in mind. WE WANT TO LOOK GOOD to the general public. Conduct your self in a manner that is socially acceptable. (no long guns, un holstered hand guns, bombs, farting, ect) LOL
    Dave
    aww, i planned on showing up in the nude!

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    Is you Matt or Mattilda?
    It will make a difference. LOL
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    We've met there before. In fact I believe we may have prevent an incident. I heard someone mention they saw a thuggish looking dude come up to the window while fiddling around with something in the front of his waistband, and as soon as he saw us he got all bug eyed and ran.
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    Here we go again... Stop asking permission. Stop letting the cops know ahead of time that you plan to be out open carrying. It's your right to do it. Just do it.

    It seems like when we get a few people that are new to OC, they get the urge to callthe police and the venueahead of time to make sure everything is going to be OK. RESIST THAT URGE!

    The police know it's legal. If the property owner/manager wants you to leave, then leave.
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    Asking is just a part of who I am. Its part of my caricature. ALL, and I mean ALL, of the officers and people I talked to were EXTREMELY nice about the whole thing and were appreciative of me trying to do this right. Giving a little heads up, to me , is the proper thing to do. You can keep your IN YOUR FACE attitude. I don't swing that way.
    As far as a new guy goes? Ive been around a long time in the world of firearms beginning in 1976 when I joined the Marine Corp and carried a 1911 45 as my side arm while I humped an M60 machine gun. This is just the newest forum that I have joined. I am on others.
    I mean no disrespect to any one here, but when some one jabs at me for doing the right thing (In my mind) then it irks me a lot. :X
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    Most of us don't believe asking permission for doing what is our right.

    Plus what if the LEO orbusiness says no? You just made it harder for the next open carrier who didn't call ahead and happened to be in that town or business. The chance for them to see we are just normal folks going about our business is lost. Or in the case of LEO......too much to say.

    Just going about our busniness open carrying is not "in your face". It is just lawful gun owners going about their lawful business.

    Glad you have joined this forum, and welcome your input, just subject has been hit upon time and time again the consesus is that is probably for the best not to ask for permission.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
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    I have never asked permission to go on with my daily life with my 1911 on my hip. This is all about giving a heads up about a GATHERING of from 5 to who knows how many. I carry every day. I have never encountered any negative feed back from Joe public.
    I would like this to be a once a month thing and dont want to start off with the least amount of in your face attitude with the LEOs. They are there for us and if I were them, I to would like a little heads up when there is going to be a bunch of people gathering with deadly weapons. Call me the odd man out, but I call this common certicy to our LEOs. Our LEOs have enough to worry about. Don't you think?
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    Heads up to the LEO, no I don't think. Call me a freedom loving non statist, but I don't agree to "giving heads up to the LEO". I just don't see anything that is necessary about that. The fact we are carrying "deadly weapons" is a non issue, people conceal all over this state and it isn't an issue? The weapons are still there?

    Now inviting them to come to the meet I am all for. But hey to each his own.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    If I might give an example, My wife and I have been customers of a fish and chips place in Port Orchard ( King's) for several years. I have OC'd there each time with no comment. It is a place for frequent coffeestops for the local PD. Thinking this would be a goo place for a lunch meet up, I asked the owner how she would feel about my having a group of my friends there OCing. Her response was "This is a family restaurant, we know you so you are OK, but we don't want guns in here". We no longer are welcome there if armed, so we do not go there.

    Would you call the PD and give them a heads up if you were going bowling, or hunting? it is something you are allowed to do, maybe not a "right" but permission is NOT required.

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    69Charger wrote:
    So far I have been in contact with the Tacoma police dept and Pierce Co Sheriff dept. Next is the Sheriff dept precinct that would respond to any calls they get from this. So far so good. It is important that we do this as legally as we can. And let every one know that this is happening. Its all new to me so I want to try to cover our butts. Wish us luck.
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    Herewe go again, contacting LE .Why in the world would youcontact LE before meeting somewhere.Many of us have been doing this for years and never contact law.Bookman set the Meet at the Starbucks everymonth he never contacted LE.Although therer happen to Federalway officers there both times so far having coffee before their shift.Do you contact the police everytime you walk out of the house or go somewhere.?? We have had many big dinner meets and never inform LE prior.You just open a whole can of worms when you do that.

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    If you have a prob with the LEOs getting a little heads up about a GATHERING OF FOLKS with guns, dont show up. I see this as a good thing. If you read what I have posted, I do carry EVERY DAY and never give a HEADS UP to any one where I go. This is a different situation. Its a GATHERING of good folks with guns. Im proud of myself for getting the word out to them and have NO need to change the way I feel about this just because I get a little negative feed back from people on this forum. All the other forums I am a member of do not voice this concern. This is not harmful to the 2nd amendment rights. If anything it shows a bit of responsible action by ME. See you on the 22nd at Dennys. I am done debating this matter. Still friends?
    Dave

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    Dave no offense but how is this "responsible"? And it hints that others are irresponsible for choosing not to inform the LE. I have no responsibility to any government agency.

    A personal choice we don't agree with I can understand, but "responsible" ?

    If you look at TriggerDR example it's a good reason not too. If 4 or 5 open carriers met there than the owner of the establishment would have seen that it doesn't cause problems and would be comfortable in the future with it. But because he did ask and they said no based on already held misconceptions of gun owners, now it could be considered trespassing if they met there anyway.

    Now what if someone else who doesn't have a clue who Triggerdr is gets together with a few other friends and they happen to be openly carrying and they go to get some coffee at this establishment? The owner might assume they are associated with Triggerdr and be irrate that he failed to abide by their wishes.


    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    The only reason LE new about our Rally in OLY is because we had to have a permit for the park.Otherwise I would have never called them.

    I carried a 60 for a while also, Vietnam....Great gun !

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    OK 1 more time.
    With all the shooting going on here in and around Tacoma in the recent past, The LEOs deserve the heads up when it comes to PEOPLE WITH GUNS. If they get a little heads up about this then they have no need to feel the same concern as if it were a call about a man with a gun. Put your self in there shoes. I'm all for the right to carry a firearm but I think my local LEOs deserve this. STILL HOLDING MY HEAD HIGH.
    Dave

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    Did you call and ask the sheriff permission to scramble your eggs this morning? .......wait.....I'll answer....no.....why? because it is legal....

    Dave, while you see it as responsible (and it is), it is not necessary as it is a fundamental right.

    Take some time to digest this one, it is an important step in the full blown acceptance of open carry in the daily lives of many citizens well beyond this group. It is where we need to be 5 years from now, 10 years from now and beyond. Take a look at this group and how long some of these 'characters' have been on the forum, there is a wealth of information. It is valuable, and while we all do things differently, there are some experiences I have drawn upon and changed how I would do things because I now OC.

    See you at Denny's......please join us on the 8th at Starbucks...even if it is early
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    69Charger wrote:
    OK 1 more time.
    With all the shooting going on here in and around Tacoma in the recent past, The LEOs deserve the heads up when it comes to PEOPLE WITH GUNS. If they get a little heads up about this then they have no need to feel the same concern as if it were a call about a man with a gun. Put your self in there shoes. I'm all for the right to carry a firearm but I think my local LEOs deserve this. STILL HOLDING MY HEAD HIGH.
    Dave
    Actually, no they do not. I have been into Forza coffee twice following the shooting and I did not call ahead. I simply went in and bought some coffee, made a donation and left. They, LEO, know that we are not a threat!
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    Dave- Thank you for taking some initiative and setting this up. I have no problem with you contacting law enforcment and letting them know we are going to be in the area. I also have no problem with you 'not' contacting law enforcement.You set this puppy up, and I don't think you've done anything wrong with your actions.

    To the rest of you: If you don't like it, don't show up. Why do you have to rain on Dave's parade here? So he has a different operating procedure than the rest of you. I am really amazed at all of the grumpy old farts on this board. The fact that you are trouncing on someone who is trying to help out with a little meetup among members (particularly when you guys want to have another meeting at 8AM!!! on a Saturday morning) is pretty crappy. If you don't like his setup send him a PM. If he doesn't take your suggestion just let it go. Just because we all carry guns doesn't mean we all have to abide by certain peoples "etiquette of carry".

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