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    I wonder if the newest state to join the union (if they get the vote), will reciprocate our CPL?
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    ...51st state?

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    yeah, Poorto reako.

    I wonder if "We the people" will get to vote on, adding a 51st state?

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    Interesting. And I would bet that at least for awhile, there would be no CCW

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    Someone *should* sue Puerto Rico for their violation of the 2nd amendment. Their laws are as draconian if not more draconian than New York City's. Regardless, the 2nd amendment, and when they become a state (note I said not if, but when), they'll have the 14th amendment apply to them too.

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    Gray Peterson wrote:
    ... when they become a state (note I said not if, but when)...
    you really believe it will happen this time? It's been up for a vote what 3 times in the last 40 years and they haven't had a majority in favor of statehood.

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    Nebulis01 wrote:
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    ... when they become a state (note I said not if, but when)...
    you really believe it will happen this time? It's been up for a vote what 3 times in the last 40 years and they haven't had a majority in favor of statehood.
    It will eventually happen, whether in the next few years or in the next century.

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    Gray Peterson wrote:
    Nebulis01 wrote:
    Gray Peterson wrote:
    ... when they become a state (note I said not if, but when)...
    you really believe it will happen this time? It's been up for a vote what 3 times in the last 40 years and they haven't had a majority in favor of statehood.
    It will eventually happen, whether in the next few years or in the next century.
    I doubt it. They've been trying for 40 years.
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    I don't get why we even would want Peurto Rico as a state.Besides it would just screw up the flag with one more star.

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    Vote generally fails in PR also. If they become a state they lose all the federal aid that we send their way as a territory.

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    I just wonder, in the past 40 years, how many times have the public of the US voted to have them join us, and how many times have they voted on whether they want to join us? Maybe thats why they have let so many Mexicans in, to get us prepared for spanish as our second language, now they are done they are sending them home to make room for the Ricans. I think if I had to choose, I'd rather have the Mexicans. But I dont want to choose. Close the borders and stop both. If they want in, do it legally.
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    A few things to remember:

    Puerto Ricans ARE US citizens.
    Puerto Rico is a part of the US, and has been since the Spanish American War.

    I have served with many Peurto Ricans, and other Hispanics, during my years in service, and have found that they have served with honor and pride - in fact, I'd have to say that they did far better than their Anglo brothers in arms.

    Further, I would hope that disparaging remarks about a particular ethnic group is NOT what this group is about....

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    It's all politics. Obama needs 7 more states so he can say,'see, I told you there were 57 states.':celebrate

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    If they become a state, don't they have to pay income tax?
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    heresolong wrote:
    Vote generally fails in PR also. If they become a state they lose all the federal aid that we send their way as a territory.
    More importantly, they would have to start paying federal income taxes - - currently Ithink they are mostly exempt. That alone will stop them from voting for it.
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    Lammo wrote:
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    Vote generally fails in PR also. If they become a state they lose all the federal aid that we send their way as a territory.
    More importantly, they would have to start paying federal income taxes - - currently Ithink they are mostly exempt. That alone will stop them from voting for it.
    Lets not forget the 1/2 of people in U.S already don't pay income tax. The majority of Puerto Rico would also fall under this catagory. So I think federal aid would just get funneled but under another guise.

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    I don't get why we even would want Peurto Rico as a state.Besides it would just screw up the flag with one more star.
    Like before Hawaii or Alaska was on the flag?
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    Just read an interesting analysis which suggested that the Democrats pushed through the vote (which there is no disputing that they did) in order to try to get 6 more reliably Democrat congressmen and two more reliably Dem senators at a time when they are facing probable massive losses in the 2010 elections.

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    Squeak wrote:
    It's all politics. Obama needs 7 more states so he can say,'see, I told you there were 57 states.':celebrate
    Did he actually say that somewhere?
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    amzbrady wrote:
    Squeak wrote:
    It's all politics. Obama needs 7 more states so he can say,'see, I told you there were 57 states.':celebrate
    Did he actually say that somewhere?
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    A few things to remember:

    Puerto Ricans ARE US citizens.
    Puerto Rico is a part of the US, and has been since the Spanish American War.
    Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens by act of Congress, not by birth. What Congress grants, congress can take away.

    Puerto Rico is a Territory of the U.S., essentially a Colony. The U.S. Constitution applies to it, again, by act of Congress.



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    Statkowski wrote:
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    A few things to remember:

    Puerto Ricans ARE US citizens.
    Puerto Rico is a part of the US, and has been since the Spanish American War.
    Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens by act of Congress, not by birth. What Congress grants, congress can take away.

    Puerto Rico is a Territory of the U.S., essentially a Colony. The U.S. Constitution applies to it, again, by act of Congress.

    Whichever way you look at it, though, in my lifetime (since at least 1955) they have been citizens of this country, so we don't have to worry about keeping them out. "Them" in this case, is us, just like Guam, Samoa, Virgin Islands, etc., etc., etc....as Yul used to say...

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    oneeyeross wrote:
    A few things to remember:

    Puerto Ricans ARE US citizens.
    Puerto Rico is a part of the US, and has been since the Spanish American War.

    I have served with many Peurto Ricans, and other Hispanics, during my years in service, and have found that they have served with honor and pride - in fact, I'd have to say that they did far better than their Anglo brothers in arms.

    Further, I would hope that disparaging remarks about a particular ethnic group is NOT what this group is about....

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    Two of the men I trust with my life were from Puerto Rico. One of them was my first squad leader. Staff Sergeant Vega. He would tell these stories about when he was a cop in Puerto Rico, and he would always use sound effects like the campy Batman shows. Combine that with his accent and it was like another language, but it was awesome. Real good guy, one of the best Soldiers I ever served with.

    Anyone that will stand up and fight for the country in my eyes is more than welcome to call themselves a citizen.
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    heresolong wrote:
    Just read an interesting analysis which suggested that the Democrats pushed through the vote (which there is no disputing that they did) in order to try to get 6 more reliably Democrat congressmen and two more reliably Dem senators at a time when they are facing probable massive losses in the 2010 elections.
    I think is the very reason too, the timing on doing it now at this stage of politics is just too coincidental.
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    I remember many years ago when GOA sent out an alert opposing this bill merely because of the above concerns about 6 new "anti-gun" congressmen and 2 anti-gun senators and such.

    What does it really matter? We have an island state already called Hawaii. English is an official language in Puerto Rico. They are currently citizens who have no Congressional representation. Puerto Rico's gun laws are unconstitutional and should be attacked in federal court NOW, when they are not a state, so when they do become a state, we'll be able to get a thriving gun owner culture down there when they DO elect Congressmen and Senators.

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    Gray Peterson wrote:
    I remember many years ago when GOA sent out an alert opposing this bill merely because of the above concerns about 6 new "anti-gun" congressmen and 2 anti-gun senators and such.

    What does it really matter? We have an island state already called Hawaii. English is an official language in Puerto Rico. They are currently citizens who have no Congressional representation. Puerto Rico's gun laws are unconstitutional and should be attacked in federal court NOW, when they are not a state, so when they do become a state, we'll be able to get a thriving gun owner culture down there when they DO elect Congressmen and Senators.
    Are they not considered a 'federal enclave' and subject to Heller?
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