runningfast
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I've already posted about this on PAFOA and PaOpenCarry. The main reason I'm cross posting it everywhere is that I'm not sure how many people frequent only one of the forums (versus several of them) and I want to warn other carriers what to expect throughout their journeys (everyday life and in terms of activism). Obviously, this event having taken place in Philadelphia, most of y'all probably shy away from OC there anyway. Nonetheless, for your own edification:
On Wednesday I was open carrying (on foot) in NE Philadelphia. I was wearing slacks with a tucked in dress shirt and a belt, with a light jacket. The jacket wasn't concealing my SIG P229. I had been out for a few hours already. I heard a shout, nothing articulate- just something to get my attention- like "YO!" or "HEY!"
I turned, guessing its origin, and was greeted with a PPD officer with his gun trained on me. Not at low ready- pointed at my head. He gave me the standard hands on head, drop to knees, on stomach flat out, etc. I was totally compliant, and was moving deliberately and exactly per his instructions. Even so, once I was on my stomach, fully extended, he chose to add "move for that pistol and you're getting two in the head". He disarmed me (or tried, him not being able to figure out for 10 seconds how to withdraw my sidearm from the Serpa holster) and when he stood me up so that I could be searched, I noticed several other (probably 6+) officers had arrived on scene. They placed me in a squad car while they verified my LTCF and proceeded to "run" my gun (their word).
I asked at this point (now that a service weapon wasn't pointed at my head) whether I could have his name and/or badge, as well as the name and/or badge numbers of the other responders. He told me to 'chill out' and said it would all be on 'the report'. So, he refused to identify himself. That upset me but from the back of the squad car I couldn't exactly go ask the other officers on scene.
Once everything came back fine (they gave me back my LTCF and pistol), the first responder opened the door and handed me my pistol (that he'd reloaded) and told me to reholster in the vehicle. Creepily enough, he swept himself with the muzzle while handing it to me. He told me that it would be marked as 'a pat stop', and that I would be fine and I wouldn't be hearing about it again but that "your permit only covers CC, it HAS to be concealed, it cannot show to the common observer". Now that I knew I'd escaped an erroneous arrest I considering explaining his error, but there was a ranking officer (at least a sergeant... he had on a white shirt) who had said the same thing so I knew there would be no convincing him.
At that point, out of the car (and him telling me to be on my way) I asked for a copy of 'the report' he'd mentioned. He told me to relax, and said it was for his sergeant to see- it wasn't for me. I asked if i could have any record at all of the encounter and he told me there was nothing for him to give me, and that I needed to be on my way.
Already spoke to several attorneys.
It's been a rough few days.
I've already posted about this on PAFOA and PaOpenCarry. The main reason I'm cross posting it everywhere is that I'm not sure how many people frequent only one of the forums (versus several of them) and I want to warn other carriers what to expect throughout their journeys (everyday life and in terms of activism). Obviously, this event having taken place in Philadelphia, most of y'all probably shy away from OC there anyway. Nonetheless, for your own edification:
On Wednesday I was open carrying (on foot) in NE Philadelphia. I was wearing slacks with a tucked in dress shirt and a belt, with a light jacket. The jacket wasn't concealing my SIG P229. I had been out for a few hours already. I heard a shout, nothing articulate- just something to get my attention- like "YO!" or "HEY!"
I turned, guessing its origin, and was greeted with a PPD officer with his gun trained on me. Not at low ready- pointed at my head. He gave me the standard hands on head, drop to knees, on stomach flat out, etc. I was totally compliant, and was moving deliberately and exactly per his instructions. Even so, once I was on my stomach, fully extended, he chose to add "move for that pistol and you're getting two in the head". He disarmed me (or tried, him not being able to figure out for 10 seconds how to withdraw my sidearm from the Serpa holster) and when he stood me up so that I could be searched, I noticed several other (probably 6+) officers had arrived on scene. They placed me in a squad car while they verified my LTCF and proceeded to "run" my gun (their word).
I asked at this point (now that a service weapon wasn't pointed at my head) whether I could have his name and/or badge, as well as the name and/or badge numbers of the other responders. He told me to 'chill out' and said it would all be on 'the report'. So, he refused to identify himself. That upset me but from the back of the squad car I couldn't exactly go ask the other officers on scene.
Once everything came back fine (they gave me back my LTCF and pistol), the first responder opened the door and handed me my pistol (that he'd reloaded) and told me to reholster in the vehicle. Creepily enough, he swept himself with the muzzle while handing it to me. He told me that it would be marked as 'a pat stop', and that I would be fine and I wouldn't be hearing about it again but that "your permit only covers CC, it HAS to be concealed, it cannot show to the common observer". Now that I knew I'd escaped an erroneous arrest I considering explaining his error, but there was a ranking officer (at least a sergeant... he had on a white shirt) who had said the same thing so I knew there would be no convincing him.
At that point, out of the car (and him telling me to be on my way) I asked for a copy of 'the report' he'd mentioned. He told me to relax, and said it was for his sergeant to see- it wasn't for me. I asked if i could have any record at all of the encounter and he told me there was nothing for him to give me, and that I needed to be on my way.
Already spoke to several attorneys.
It's been a rough few days.