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    i was in king county juvenile court for my younger brothers court hearing for a couple hours last week, and when i was in the lobby, i noticed the judge come in, and he had to walk through the metal detector. why cant the judge come to court armed?

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    RCW 9.41.300(1) It is unlawful for any person to enter the following places when he or she knowingly possesses or knowingly has under his or her control a weapon:

    (b) Those areas in any building which are used in connection with court proceedings, including courtrooms, jury rooms, judge's chambers, offices and areas used to conduct court business, waiting areas, and corridors adjacent to areas used in connection with court proceedings. The restricted areas do not include common areas of ingress and egress to the building that is used in connection with court proceedings, when it is possible to protect court areas without restricting ingress and egress to the building. The restricted areas shall be the minimum necessary to fulfill the objective of this subsection (1)(b).

    (6) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:

    (a) A person engaged in military activities sponsored by the federal or state governments, while engaged in official duties;

    (b) Law enforcement personnel, except that subsection (1)(b) of this section does apply to a law enforcement officer who is present at a courthouse building as a party to an action under chapter 10.14, 10.99, or 26.50 RCW, or an action under Title 26 RCW where any party has alleged the existence of domestic violence as defined in RCW 26.50.010; or

    (c) Security personnel while engaged in official duties.

    (7) Subsection (1)(a) of this section does not apply to a person licensed pursuant to RCW 9.41.070 who, upon entering the place or facility, directly and promptly proceeds to the administrator of the facility or the administrator's designee and obtains written permission to possess the firearm while on the premises or checks his or her firearm. The person may reclaim the firearms upon leaving but must immediately and directly depart from the place or facility.

    (8) Subsection (1)(c) of this section does not apply to any administrator or employee of the facility or to any person who, upon entering the place or facility, directly and promptly proceeds to the administrator of the facility or the administrator's designee and obtains written permission to possess the firearm while on the premises.


    There's nothing in the RCW's that allows for the judge to carry a firearm.




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    I would think they should have the right to be armed. I am guessing this is a Washington State law. And it is not this way in other states. I for one don't believe there is any place on Earth that a gun isn't permitted. But thats because I don't believe being armed is a privilage. Cheers

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    Glock17 wrote:
    I would think they should have the right to be armed. I am guessing this is a Washington State law. And it is not this way in other states. I for one don't believe there is any place on Earth that a gun isn't permitted. But thats because I don't believe being armed is a privilage. Cheers
    I agree. I feel judges should be able to arm themselves as well, rather than relying in the court protection officer. What happens if the court officer is shot and wounded/killed?

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    Well, the fact that they have US Marshals guarding them has something to do with it.
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    Only federal judges have US Marshall's....
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    j2l3 wrote:
    Only federal judges have US Marshall's....
    Oh, right. My bad. I'll shut up now.

    (There's a Federal court in my town, and hence I'm used to seeing the Marshals.)
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    j2l3 wrote:
    Only federal judges have US Marshall's....
    The judges are protected by whatever law enforcement agency is responsible for the particular jurisdiction of the judge/court.

    If it's a Federal court, then it's the U.S. Marshals, if it's a State Supreme Court, then it's State Patrol. If it's Superior Court, then it's a Sheriff's Deputy, and if it's a municipal court, then it's a municipal police officer.

    At least that's how it normally works.

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    I have no problem judge being armed if we are allowed to be armed at the same time. And we are not buying his weapon.


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    What do you mean by buying his weapon?

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    Aaron1124 wrote:
    What do you mean by buying his weapon?
    That tax payers don't provide his weapon. Just like I am fine with anybody gov. official or not carrying for their own everyday protection just not the public paying for it.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    Ah, gotcha

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    I've heard of a few of them wearing a handgun under their robes. I know it'd technically be illegal, but it's "their" courtroom, and it's not like the baliff is going to pat them down when they enter the room. If I was a judge, I might do the same thing.



    -But, that was heresay, and totally, completely inadmissable in court...

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    G20-IWB24/7 wrote:
    I've heard of a few of them wearing a handgun under their robes. I know it'd technically be illegal, but it's "their" courtroom, and it's not like the baliff is going to pat them down when they enter the room. If I was a judge, I might do the same thing.



    -But, that was heresay, and totally, completely inadmissable in court...
    I'm pretty sure they do have to walk through the metal detectors. At least at the two courts I've been to they did.

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    They should arm themselves. It's actually another good example of someone putting all their faith in the fact that they are protected just because the police are there. I'm surprised we havent already passed on to an america that is totally locked down behind bullet proof glass, like some convenience store clerks. judges, bus drivers, taxi cab drivers. I figure it's only a matter of time. Just how much time is the answer.
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    I think I saw an episode of Law and Order one time where a judge shot a defendent who grabbed an officers gun? Maybe someone else saw this episode? Well anyways I would think some judges do arm themselves. People can do some crazy things when the jury lets out a vertict. Guilty as Charged! :what:

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    They don't walk through metal detectors here in Whatcom, none of the employees do.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    They don't walk through metal detectors here in Whatcom, none of the employees do.
    When I was on jury duty, I saw judges and attorneys both go through the detector, in King County.

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    I went to Bellingham Municipal court no metal detectors at all. And I am trying to fix their lock box rules, goes against state law.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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