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    I don'tknow a lot about this but have seen on the news recently the Obama is pushing this hard in the Senate right now. How damaging would this be to our 2nd?

    INTER-AMERICAN CONVENTION AGAINST THE ILLICIT MANUFACTURING OF AND TRAFFICKING IN FIREARMS, AMMUNITION, EXPLOSIVES, AND OTHER RELATED MATERIALS

    http://www.oas.org/juridico/english/treaties/a-63.html

    Along with:

    "Attorney General Holder revealed his support for a national gun owner registration scheme and authorizing the government to ban firearm possession for any person by merely adding that person's name to the terror watch list.

    Drawing reasonable conclusions from what Holder publicly said, we now know:


    • Holder wants a national, permanent gun registration system administered by law enforcement. A registration of honest citizens that have cleared the federal background check for gun purchases with those records permanently retained by and shared among law enforcement.
    • Holder wants new federal authority to prohibit any person on the federal watch list (reported to be 400,000 names) from buying guns and supports confiscating guns from those on the list who possess them."



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    Did you happen to notice that the last nation to attach itself to ths abominaton was Haiti, back in 2007?
    "All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke


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    They're trying to play the smoke and mirrors "watch the other hand" game and back door gun control. Of course if we don't do some heavy lane changing come November,,,,
    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Thomas Jefferson

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    KansasMustang wrote:
    They're trying to play the smoke and mirrors "watch the other hand" game and back door gun control. Of course if we don't do some heavy lane changing come November,,,,
    Also concerned that this very conveniently timed Puerto Rico statehood BS is to gain more progressive votes and to help continue their control of both houses?
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    Metaphors awry, jawbone, you're killing my aśś!

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    Bookman wrote:
    Did you happen to notice that the last nation to attach itself to ths abominaton was Haiti, back in 2007?
    Actually, that is ratification date. Domincan Republic in 2009. The U.S. signed in 1997. Let's see who was the prez in 97?.....Oh yeah, it was Silly Willy.





    COUNTRY
    SIGNATURE
    RATIFICATION/ACCESSION
    DEPOSIT
    INFORMATION*

    Antigua & Barbuda
    11/14/97
    03/12/03
    03/27/03 RA
    -

    Argentina
    11/14/97
    08/13/01
    10/09/01 RA
    Yes

    Bahamas
    04/15/98
    06/05/98
    07/30/98 RA
    -

    Barbados
    04/06/01
    06/04/04
    06/07/04 RA
    -

    Belize
    11/14/97
    11/17/97
    01/12/98 RA
    -

    Bolivia
    11/14/97
    02/12/99
    04/29/99 RA
    -

    Brazil
    11/14/97
    08/26/99
    09/28/99 RA
    -

    Canada
    11/14/97
    -
    -
    -

    Chile
    11/14/97
    09/15/03
    10/23/03 RA
    -

    Colombia
    11/14/97
    01/22/03
    02/05/03 RA
    -

    Costa Rica
    11/14/97
    11/22/00
    04/26/01 RA
    -

    Dominica
    -
    09/14/04
    10/20/04 AD
    -

    Dominican Republic
    11/14/97
    02/26/09
    04/24/09 RA
    -

    Ecuador
    11/14/97
    06/08/99
    06/23/99 RA
    Yes

    El Salvador
    11/14/97
    01/08/99
    03/18/99 RA
    -

    Grenada
    11/14/97
    11/29/01
    01/16/02 RA
    -

    Guatemala
    11/14/97
    09/09/02
    02/05/03 RA
    -

    Guyana
    11/14/97
    04/07/08
    06/09/08 RA
    -

    Haiti
    11/14/97
    02/07/07
    04/20/07 RA
    -

    Honduras
    11/14/97
    10/13/04
    11/23/04 RA
    -

    Jamaica
    11/14/97
    -
    -
    -

    Mexico
    11/14/97
    05/19/98
    06/01/98 RA
    -

    Nicaragua
    11/14/97
    08/24/99
    11/09/99 RA
    -

    Panama
    11/14/97
    06/17/99
    09/28/99 RA
    Yes

    Paraguay
    11/14/97
    09/19/00
    04/04/01 RA
    -

    Peru
    11/14/97
    06/04/99
    06/08/99 RA
    -

    St. Kitts & Nevis
    11/14/97
    05/10/04
    05/25/04 RA
    -

    St. Lucia
    06/03/98
    01/23/03
    04/30/03 RA
    -

    St. Vincent & Grenadines
    11/14/97
    -
    -
    -

    Suriname
    11/14/97
    03/14/08
    05/05/08 RA
    -

    Trinidad & Tobago
    05/12/98
    01/23/04
    02/13/04 RA
    -

    United States
    11/14/97
    -
    -
    -

    Uruguay
    11/14/97
    05/24/01
    07/20/01 RA
    Yes

    Venezuela
    11/14/97
    04/02/02
    05/14/02 RA
    -
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    The assault continues with Little - No press coverage.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/polit...59E0Q920091015
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    jbone wrote:
    The assault continues with Little - No press coverage.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/polit...59E0Q920091015
    Article from October 14, 2009?

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    The Donkey wrote:
    jbone wrote:
    The assault continues with Little - No press coverage.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/polit...59E0Q920091015
    Article from October 14, 2009?
    Now I'm the Donkey.
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    I've read this treaty and it is utter foolishness. One provision requires States to keep records of illegally produced firearms so they can track them.

    Just how does that work? Are they going to send ATF agents to illegal manufacturers and have them record the non-existent serial numbers on these illegally-produced arms?

    And I wonder if this treaty will be used in instances like in the 1980's when the CIA contracted Ivers Johnson in Mena AR to manufacture full-auto M-16 receivers and sears without Serial Numbers or Manufacturer info stamps, for shipment to the Contras in exchange for cocaine? Does anyone REALLY think that the thousands of full-auto untraceable M-16s shipped to Nicaragua by the CIA and DEA in the mid '80's would be regulated under this treaty? Does anyone thing that the UN would DARE to bring up the DCI or the Miami DEA director on international arms smuggling charges?

    Are People like Congressman Charles Wilson going to get arrested under this treaty, like when he illegally purchased untraceable firearms from Israel to ship to the Taliban in Afganistan to fight the Russians in the 1980s?

    Give me a break...

    The vast majority of "illegal arms" are actually manufactured, shipped, and sold by legitimate manufacturers and GOVERNMENTS to other governments or "freedom fighter" groups.

    Somehow, I don't think the US government, or Israel, or even Russia or China is going to get called out and prosecuted by such a treaty.

    Foolishness, I say...

    I call SHENANIGANS on the UN...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggressionand this is hogwash."
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