Glock27Bill
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allens wrote:
allens wrote:
So what's the issue?
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Who is going to open carry while voting?
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Glock27Bill wrote:
http://leg1.state.va.us/000/cod/18.2-308.HTM
Yata hey
Glock27Bill wrote:
Since he doesn't show his location, he might not be in Virginia where "good and sufficient cause" is all that is required in church.
http://leg1.state.va.us/000/cod/18.2-308.HTM
Yata hey
t33j
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from http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=43410&forum_id=54&highlight=good+sufficient by Statkowski
USNA69
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Grapeshot wrote:
Not to be pedantic here (IANAL) ... and I know that election day has come and gone ... but my understanding of the "church" provision is that the carry prohibition is only in effect when a meeting for religious purposes is being held. Even then, the "good and sufficient reason" exception applies.
§ 18.2-283. Carrying dangerous weapon to place of religious worship.
If any person carry any gun, pistol, bowie knife, dagger or other dangerous weapon, without good and sufficient reason, to a place of worship while a meeting for religious purposes is being held at such place he shall be guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor.
Unless the church was holding services during voting hours, you should be good to go.
My local civic league meets in a church on Monday evenings, and I carry.
Grapeshot wrote:
Not to be pedantic here (IANAL) ... and I know that election day has come and gone ... but my understanding of the "church" provision is that the carry prohibition is only in effect when a meeting for religious purposes is being held. Even then, the "good and sufficient reason" exception applies.
§ 18.2-283. Carrying dangerous weapon to place of religious worship.
If any person carry any gun, pistol, bowie knife, dagger or other dangerous weapon, without good and sufficient reason, to a place of worship while a meeting for religious purposes is being held at such place he shall be guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor.
Unless the church was holding services during voting hours, you should be good to go.
My local civic league meets in a church on Monday evenings, and I carry.
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rebfan wrote:
Edit: I just called and asked the Registrar of Voters. The answer was "No." My only other option is absentee, which is a non starter for me. First if the election is close the absentee's have a much higher challenge rate. But more importantly, I feel that voting is a civic duty, and should be done openly. I take my boys with me to teach them that voting is a serious responsibility.
rebfan wrote:
A few years ago my polling place moved to the local high-school. I wonder if it can be moved.
Edit: I just called and asked the Registrar of Voters. The answer was "No." My only other option is absentee, which is a non starter for me. First if the election is close the absentee's have a much higher challenge rate. But more importantly, I feel that voting is a civic duty, and should be done openly. I take my boys with me to teach them that voting is a serious responsibility.
USNA69
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Fenris wrote:
Fenris wrote:
Having a polling placein a school also presents a similar problem for a registered sex offender. I suppose (s)he asks for an absentee ballot. I bet that is an interesting conversation at the Registrar's Office.
architect
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USNA69 wrote:
USNA69 wrote:
Considering that one can gain such status for so minor an infraction as public urination, perhaps it shouldn't be such a stigma?
TFred
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Fenris wrote:
See http://leg1.state.va.us/000/cod/24.2-700.HTM
Neither carrying a firearm, nor being a convicted sex offender are valid reasons to request and use an absentee ballot.
There were several bills this past year to eliminate a list of reasons, but they all died in committee. (At least upon my quick search through the LIS database.)
TFred
ETA: P.S. I see now from your message that perhaps the registrar did not suggest you submit an absentee ballot.
This very well could end up being an interesting civil rights case... the government is clearly forcing you to trade one right to excercise another. I bet this could be won.
Fenris wrote:
You might want to call the Registrar back and ask them to explain to you how submitting an absentee ballot without meeting one of the clearly defined requirements for doing so is not against the law, and why would they suggest that you break the law?
See http://leg1.state.va.us/000/cod/24.2-700.HTM
Neither carrying a firearm, nor being a convicted sex offender are valid reasons to request and use an absentee ballot.
There were several bills this past year to eliminate a list of reasons, but they all died in committee. (At least upon my quick search through the LIS database.)
TFred
ETA: P.S. I see now from your message that perhaps the registrar did not suggest you submit an absentee ballot.
This very well could end up being an interesting civil rights case... the government is clearly forcing you to trade one right to excercise another. I bet this could be won.
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TFred wrote:ETA: P.S. I see now from your message that perhaps the registrar did not suggest you submit an absentee ballot.
This very well could end up being an interesting civil rights case... the government is clearly forcing you to trade one right to excercise another. I bet this could be won.
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This is correct. I was merely speculating as to a possible alternative. I did not realize that there was a list of qualifying reasons for absentee voting. As I said, absentee voting has never appealed to me so I never looked into it.
A civil rights case? I like it.
TFred wrote:ETA: P.S. I see now from your message that perhaps the registrar did not suggest you submit an absentee ballot.
This very well could end up being an interesting civil rights case... the government is clearly forcing you to trade one right to excercise another. I bet this could be won.
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This is correct. I was merely speculating as to a possible alternative. I did not realize that there was a list of qualifying reasons for absentee voting. As I said, absentee voting has never appealed to me so I never looked into it.
A civil rights case? I like it.
TFred
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cruzn82 wrote:
TFred
cruzn82 wrote:
Ha ha, it'll be a race, am I first? You're gonna have to provide a source for that gem...
TFred
Thundar
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You are wrong for th vast majority of Virginians. Most with CHPs can only carry in their car. You have to go IN the school to vote.
I don't agree with the law, but in this forum we try to be accurate.
You are wrong for th vast majority of Virginians. Most with CHPs can only carry in their car. You have to go IN the school to vote.
I don't agree with the law, but in this forum we try to be accurate.
fairfax1
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cruzn82 wrote:
Please cite the va code section for this...
That doesn't sound right.
cruzn82 wrote:
Please cite the va code section for this...
That doesn't sound right.
Thundar
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You were first, you win TFred!
You were first, you win TFred!
TFred
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Grapeshot wrote:
TFred
Grapeshot wrote:
Good grief... I hadn't even noticed that... there's nothing wrong with being wrong as long as you own up to it. Everyone is wrong once in a while! You get a whole lot more respect saying oops than just sneaking out the back door.fairfax1 wrote:It is not right - obviously so.
Cruzn82 deleted/edited his post, but it had already been captured by quoting it.
Yata hey
TFred
USNA69
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When is a school no longer a school
I was reviewing this thread in light of the upcoming November elections. My polling place is a school building, but it is no longer used as a school. I am referring to the old J.E.B. Stuart school in Norfolk. It has been unused for several years. It is not listed on the Norfolk Public Schools web site (http://www.nps.k12.va.us) .
So, we have an interesting situation. Inasmuch as there are no school activities taking place in the building, I would think that OC/CC would not be prohibited. However, I can just picture a very interesting discussion of that fine point with poll volunteers or the NPD. "But Officer, it is not a school. There are no students or teachers here." "Yes, it is a school; it says so on the sign outside."
I suppose the underlying legal question is: "For the purpose of carrying of firearms in the Commonwealth of Virginia, when does a school cease being a school?"
I was reviewing this thread in light of the upcoming November elections. My polling place is a school building, but it is no longer used as a school. I am referring to the old J.E.B. Stuart school in Norfolk. It has been unused for several years. It is not listed on the Norfolk Public Schools web site (http://www.nps.k12.va.us) .
So, we have an interesting situation. Inasmuch as there are no school activities taking place in the building, I would think that OC/CC would not be prohibited. However, I can just picture a very interesting discussion of that fine point with poll volunteers or the NPD. "But Officer, it is not a school. There are no students or teachers here." "Yes, it is a school; it says so on the sign outside."
I suppose the underlying legal question is: "For the purpose of carrying of firearms in the Commonwealth of Virginia, when does a school cease being a school?"