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    http://www.ammoland.com/2010/05/03/o...to-ted-nugent/The Day I’ll Join The NRA – An Open Letter To Ted Nugent
    By Aaron Zelman
    Founder and Director of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.


    USA - -(AmmoLand.com)- Dear Ted: First, I personally thank you for the valuable work you have done, and are doing, for the Second Amendment. You have used your talent, success, wit, and celebrity to fight for our freedoms.
    Additionally, you are a member of the Board of Directors of the NRA. So this letter is directed to you in strictly that capacity.
    Why? Because I believe that you will listen. And you have the standing and respect within the NRA to actually do something regarding the issues I’d like to bring to your attention.
    We at JPFO recently received a letter from an angry and very articulate fellow who took the vast majority of gun owners to task for not being NRA members. He rightly points out that there are more than eighty million gun owners and only five million members of any pro-gun organization, the NRA obviously being the largest.
    I read this fellow’s letter a couple of times, and could not fault him on his spirit or personal philosophy.
    What bothered me was that he was asking me to join the NRA.
    Ted, the day I’ll join the NRA is…
    1. When the NRA announces, from the rooftops, that the police have NO LEGAL DUTY to protect the average American citizen. Time after time, our courts have upheld this. If every American understood this, we would see gun ownership, and Second Amendment awareness, burgeon across our nation. The tide would resolutely turn in our favor.
    One of JPFO’s finest projects was the book “Dial 911 and Die”. It is meticulously documented with actual court cites.
    Why didn’t the NRA, years ago, publish this material in a reader friendly format for nationwide distribution?
    NEXT: I’ll join the NRA…
    2. When the NRA aggressively presses to abolish all concealed carry permit laws.
    Unregistered concealed carry has been no big issue in both Alaska and Vermont for decades. Arizona just passed unregistered concealed legislation. It’s time for the NRA to start swimming strongly with this tide. Yes, it’s a victory for gun owners when a State like Minnesota finally allows registered carry, but we must see it for what it still is: an un-Constitutional infringement on our G-d* given right to self defense, see: “The Ten Commandments of Self Defense”. It is also an obvious way to add more gun owner names to a list and database. (*Out of respect, observant Jews do not write out the name of the Almighty in secular texts.)
    How has an unalienable right to self defense been demoted to a revocable government granted privilege?
    NEXT: I’ll join the NRA…
    3. When the NRA calls for the complete and unconditional disbanding of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE). Gun owners should be appalled at the NRA leadership’s incestuous “good cop/bad cop” dance with the BATFE. For decades there has been a symbiotic, and liberty threatening, “good ole’ boy” relationship between NRA and BATFE.
    They should instead be mortal enemies.
    The BATFE’s abuses are legion and despicable. These criminal acts crested like a bloody wave with the horrific deceit and treachery the agency displayed at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and then at Waco, Texas.
    JPFO has produced a documentary about the BATFE called “The Gang” for which you kindly donated footage, showing you teaching teenagers how to use firearms safely. As you know, “The Gang” is not specifically about Ruby Ridge or Waco, it’s about how, with deliberate regularity, the BATFE criminally harasses honest gun owners.
    Did you know that, back during the Administration of Ronald Reagan, President Reagan actually wanted to dismantle the then “BATF”? Who stopped him? The NRA! See this Time Magazine article that reports this hypocrisy.
    The NRA has publicly stated that it wants to “work with” BATFE to punish the criminal use of guns, see: copy of NRA response letter. Let the local police, county sheriff, State police, or the FBI, do what they were assigned and sworn to do in the first place.
    We don’t need these bucket headed, jack booted paramilitary goons playing cops in our lives.
    And then there’s the firearms. This means “gun control”, and every single threat to our freedom that comes along with it.
    On top of that, tobacco is a drug. Alcohol is a drug. Give that authority to the FDA. Explosives? Wasn’t that an FBI specialty already?
    NEXT: I’ll join the NRA…
    4. When the NRA soundly condemns, and works tirelessly to abolish, the “Gun Control Act of 1968”. NRA lawyers actually helped to write this piece of totalitarian legislation. JPFO was the first to expose “GCA ‘68” for what it was: a near carbon copy of the Nazi German gun laws of the 1930s. See: “Gun Control” Gateway to Tyranny.
    The NRA needs to “man up” and confess that it made a terrible mistake here. It needs to go on an Obama style apology tour of every State, and personally confess this sin to American gun owners. And then repent.
    Gun registration (brought to you by GCA ’68) is intolerable in a free society. In Nazi Germany, Jews were forced to identify themselves with a yellow star. In America, our citizens are forced to identify their ownership of firearms with a form called a “4473” and concealed weapon permits.
    In Nazi Germany, Jews were forced to identify themselves with a yellow star.
    Now, with the computer age fully entrenched in our society, a centralized database of all gun owners and their firearms’ serial numbers is just a mouse click away. The BATFE claims it would never do this. But they are already doing it with their phony ‘eTrace’ program. They actually share information about American gun owners with foreign governments! This could have ominous repercussions.
    Let’s analyze why “GCA ‘68” even passed. It was because of the political assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy, and Martin Luther King. Without those three murders, the American people would have scoffed at the idea of national “gun control”. The highly emotionalized loss of the lives of three public figures, tragic though it was, created enough manipulated hysteria in this nation to essentially throw the Second Amendment out the window.
    But what about the hundreds of thousands of brave Americans who have died fighting, generation after generation, to protect our Bill of Rights? Instead of standing firm in the face of this 1968 “gun control” travesty, when a far more conservative America could have been effectively rallied, the NRA got in bed with the gun prohibitionists and actually helped pen the legislation. See: “NRA Supported the National Firearms Act of 1934″and GCA68.
    NEXT: I’ll join the NRA…
    5. When the NRA quits kowtowing to authoritarian police bureaucrats and takes a no compromise stand against the increasing paramilitarization of our local and State law enforcement agencies.
    It’s time to quit building a standing army in America, masquerading as local SWAT teams and hooded “tactical units”. Federal money is lavishly splashed at these local law enforcement agencies. And, as we all know, payback day cannot be far away.
    When push comes to shove, can we depend on local cops who have been suckling at the Federal teat, and attending Federal brainwashing seminars?
    The NRA has to get in the face of all local police and ask them, point blank: “Will you ever assist in the disarming of the American citizenry?”
    Any cop who answers in the affirmative must be drummed out of the ranks.
    “To Protect and Serve” does not mean “To Disarm and Enslave”.
    NEXT: I’ll join the NRA…
    6. When the NRA assertively speaks to our active duty military personnel and respectfully (but emphatically) reminds them that any disarming of innocent Americans is a blatant and evil breach of their oath to uphold and protect our Constitution. The NRA needs to follow the lead of Oath Keepers in reaching out to both soldiers and cops.
    That disgusting “czarette” Janet Napolitano, of Homeland Security, actually had the gall to imply that homecoming soldiers posed a threat because they could be “recruited” by “extremist” groups. The NRA should be at the top of that list of so-called “extremist” groups!
    These hard line Leftists have to understand one thing: If forced to, we are unwilling to give them any quarter to protect our freedom. And every freedom loving American should expect that active duty soldiers, who have sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic, will stand, gun in hand, by the side of The People if push ever comes to shove.
    These hard line Leftists have to understand one thing: If forced to, we are unwilling to give them any quarter to protect our freedom.
    NEXT: I’ll join the NRA…
    7. When the NRA forcefully and persistently brings up the incontestable fact that every major genocide of the 20th Century was preceded by “gun control” policies. Disarmed millions became the victims of government sponsored or condoned mass murder.
    What far too many American gun owners are so hesitant to face is that the greatest criminals in history have not been common street thugs. By a huge, huge factor, the greatest criminal element in modern history has been government-gone-bad.
    The Founders didn’t pen the Second Amendment to protect us from muggers and rapists or burglars. That’s actually a secondary benefit. They penned the Second Amendment to protect us from our own government! See: “2A Today for The USA”.
    At one time in America, this somber ideal was actually taught in public schools. Now a kid can’t even draw a picture of a gun or take a “Goody Gun” cookie to school for lunch. The insane poison of political correctness runs amok in our nation today.
    Ted, you don’t put up with the p.c. garbage, why does the NRA?
    NEXT: I’ll join the NRA…
    8. When the NRA honestly and accurately “grades” politicians for their real position on the Second Amendment. Hillary Clinton’s and Charlie Schumer’s pet protégé Kirsten Gillibrand got an “A” rating from the NRA. This is insane.
    Gillibrand is now on the band wagon for a reinstated “assault weapons” ban. The NRA: Suckered and betrayed once again.
    Ted Nugent running for office gets an “A+” grade from the NRA. That’s the standard they must start with. We cannot grade on a bell curve when it comes to our freedom.
    Our politicians must not simply be “pro gun”, they must be fervently pro Second Amendment. It is now time for zero tolerance for any form of “gun control”. Far too often, American gun owners have seen “A” graded politicians waffle and cave on gun law after gun law. If the NRA has to step away from any candidate to uphold our rights, so be it.
    Millions of American gun owners will reject any candidate who betrays our G-d given right to defend our lives.
    The time for any sort of compromise is over. We must now retrieve ground that has been lost to past retreats. It is time for the NRA to really start “walking the walk”. Radically downgrade every single politician who has betrayed us in any way in the past.
    Ted, you have the clout and celebrity status to bring any or all of these issues directly to the NRA’s Board of Directors.
    You can also, through your website and fan base, expose countless younger Americans to these critical matters.
    It’s time to give the American people a very loud wake up call regarding their freedom. No one can say you are shy, Ted. Please, make some of that trademarked Nugent Noise over these crucial issues.
    Sincerely, and Yours in Freedom, Aaron Zelman Founder and Director of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.About:
    Jews For The Preservation Of Firearms Ownership Mission is to destroy “gun control” and to encourage Americans to understand and defend all of the Bill of Rights for everyone. Those are the twin goals of Wisconsin-based Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO). Founded by Jews and initially aimed at educating the Jewish community about the historical evils that Jews have suffered when they have been disarmed, JPFO has always welcomed persons of all religious beliefs who share a common goal of opposing and reversing victim disarmament policies while advancing liberty for all.
    JPFO is a non-profit tax-exempt educational civil rights organization, not a lobby. JPFO’s products and programs reach out to as many segments of the American people as possible, using bold tactics without compromise on fundamental principles. Visit www.JPFO.org Copyright JPFO 2010

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    That's rather fair. It just shows there is a lot of truth to some of the monikers the NRA stands for... like Negotiate Rights Away.

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    Great post!!!! M1Gunr. If they did all that I might consider joining. Uncle Ted is just the type of guy that might listen.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    The more I look at the NRA, the more I am glad to NOT be a part of their organization.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

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    great post!

    even though i am an NRA Endowment member i do recognize the shortcomings of the organization. and that is why grassroots organizations such as OCDO exist.


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    Great post. I'm an NRA Life member, but really do want the organization to be far more aggressive.

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    I quit the NRA some 20 years ago, after being deluged with NRA mailings every few weeks pleading for $$$$$ to continue their fight against restrictions imposed by the Gun Control Act of 1968. The same GCA-68 the NRA supported.

    My hard earned $$$ goes to GOA, JPFO and the very aggressive Arizona Citizens Defense League (AZCDL).

    On that day when the NRA decides to cease negotiating with our enemies over gun rights in America, I'll rejoin the NRA, but not one day before.

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    Well, I sent a closed letter to Ted Nugent, through the NRA, about their willingness to negotiate rights away by holding annual meetings in a non-gun-friendly venue in North Carolina, and to subject their members to metal detectors.

    Got an automated response that the staff would get right back to me.

    That was over a week ago.

    Good thing this life member isn't holding her breath. But I did become a life member simply so I could vote against their idiotic stances.
    Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population. -Albert Einstein

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    I'm a Life Member and have no plans to quit. I do not agree with everything they do but they hands down have the political clout that no other pro gun organization can hope to muster on the national stage. Anti-gun groups consider them to be evil incarnate. That's good enough for me.

    I applaud and support the other pro-gun groups out there. They provide coverage to issues that the NRA does not.

    The NRA is a rifleman's organization, founded by ex-Union Army officers. It's entry into the political process is fairly recent in it's lifetime. No matter how large and loud the NRA is politically, it has yet to shrug off it's lesser known past, and probably (hopefully) never will.

    The NRA became the 800 LB gorilla inside the beltway by default and it's unlikely that any other group will supplant it. It is what it is. Perhaps the top is a little clouded by political expediency but the NRA is the superstar and will not be marginalized by more aggressive groups, only complemented by them.
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    If the NRA followed these steps, I would immediately become a life member.

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    cwp wrote:
    If the NRA followed these steps, I would immediately become a life member.
    +1
    There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away, mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting. I've done the math enough to know the dangers of our second guessing. Doomed to crumble, unless we grow and strengthen our communication. -Tool, "Schism"

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    Wow. That letter was amazing. I believe I will be sending JPFO a check this weekend...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggressionand this is hogwash."
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    It's good to see Zelman call out the Nuge openly and by name. Nugent enjoys his image as radically in-your-face pro-gun but it doesn't hold up under scrutiny, unless he answers to the points in that letter.

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    mcdonalk wrote:
    cwp wrote:
    If the NRA followed these steps, I would immediately become a life member.
    +1
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    Glock34 wrote:
    mcdonalk wrote:
    cwp wrote:
    If the NRA followed these steps, I would immediately become a life member.
    +1
    +2

    +3

    But I know it won't happen. NRAis a political monster, they know if liberty were to be restored they would be out of a job. Whenever treasoninst legislation comes up they ignore it and say we'll wait until the elections(of course there rigged) and it's $$$$. Without the gun laws how could they get your $$$.

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    paramedic70002 wrote:
    I'm a Life Member and have no plans to quit. I do not agree with everything they do but they hands down have the political clout that no other pro gun organization can hope to muster on the national stage. Anti-gun groups consider them to be evil incarnate. That's good enough for me.

    I applaud and support the other pro-gun groups out there. They provide coverage to issues that the NRA does not.

    The NRA is a rifleman's organization, founded by ex-Union Army officers. It's entry into the political process is fairly recent in it's lifetime. No matter how large and loud the NRA is politically, it has yet to shrug off it's lesser known past, and probably (hopefully) never will.

    The NRA became the 800 LB gorilla inside the beltway by default and it's unlikely that any other group will supplant it. It is what it is. Perhaps the top is a little clouded by political expediency but the NRA is the superstar and will not be marginalized by more aggressive groups, only complemented by them.
    Ted Nugent publicly hurts our cause. Any video I have seen of him, or 2 minute interview on TV, he comes off like a stark raving idiot zealot. Chris Matthews, Hardball fame, could post a TV interview showing "Uncle Ted", and all he would have to say at then end of it is " I rest my case."

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    GOV5 wrote:
    paramedic70002 wrote:
    I'm a Life Member and have no plans to quit. I do not agree with everything they do but they hands down have the political clout that no other pro gun organization can hope to muster on the national stage. Anti-gun groups consider them to be evil incarnate. That's good enough for me.

    I applaud and support the other pro-gun groups out there. They provide coverage to issues that the NRA does not.

    The NRA is a rifleman's organization, founded by ex-Union Army officers. It's entry into the political process is fairly recent in it's lifetime. No matter how large and loud the NRA is politically, it has yet to shrug off it's lesser known past, and probably (hopefully) never will.

    The NRA became the 800 LB gorilla inside the beltway by default and it's unlikely that any other group will supplant it. It is what it is. Perhaps the top is a little clouded by political expediency but the NRA is the superstar and will not be marginalized by more aggressive groups, only complemented by them.
    Ted Nugent publicly hurts our cause. Any video I have seen of him, or 2 minute interview on TV, he comes off like a stark raving idiot zealot. Chris Matthews, Hardball fame, could post a TV interview showing "Uncle Ted", and all he would have to say at then end of it is " I rest my case."
    I don't agree, he is opinionated and strong minded. But I like him he reminds me of my Uncle. I don't see it any different than these other all knowing celebrities, I seen "hardball"Chris Mathews look like a raving idiot plenty of times.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Nugent likes to use lots of foul language and has been known to go off on anti-gay and pro-war rants (using foul language) when speaking publicly. It gets a rise out of his audience, and it's kind of funny sometimes, but it kind of disqualifies him as a "reasoned voice" and it turns off people who may be pro-self defense but are not into that more extreme right-wing stuff.

    But the guy is a rock star and a performer, so what do you expect? I'd love to see him argue with Chris Matthews. That would be a ratings monster.

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    Oh you are absolutely right about the Nuge and his views.

    I don't agree with everything he says but I still like him, he reminds me of my Uncle.

    Very demonstrative and entertaining to listen too.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    Very demonstrative and entertaining to listen too.
    So is/was BHO and look what it got us.

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    Whenever or whatever pro-gun legislation is passed... NRA gets the credit by default. NRA is the only 'gun' group the media is anecdotally familiar with. The anti's automatically ascribe the NRA with the promulgation of'talking points' it never formulated.

    Truth is... the NRA has become acorporation of FUDD's for FUDD's that has muddled it's reason for being.It's primary function seems to be making money for the sake of making money. I'm talkin' advertising. Guns for the sake of the shooting sports, not self-defense under RKBA. Particularly the openly'bearing' part devoid of the government contrivances of permit, license, registration and regulation. In essence... they caved in to allthat long ago. Moreover... became a willing party to CCW (by permit for a price) andpromotion of 'training' (for a price) by NRA agents.They promoted the 'training' angle as apre-requisiteto the otherwise free exercise of a right. Altho NRA has a column 'The Armed Citizen' in American Rifleman magazine... the citizen is normally 'at home or place of business' in such defensive situations. I don't recall any of these tales happening 'on the street'. Another point... guns areseldom referred to as 'weapons'. NRA is rapidly becoming irrelevant as a voice for the 2A.

    Nobody ever hears about JPFO... AzCDL or the aggresssive pro-2A organizations. The media doesn't comprehend what OCDOis (or isn't). I'm still a yearly member of NRA... if only for their magazine. All the rest of their excessive mailings and solicitations get trashed. I have yet to see the national results I expectfor my money. Living in Arizona... NRA has become even less relevent. AzCDL has accomplished in a few years what the NRA never did in it's history.

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    How true.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    Whenever or whatever pro-gun legislation is passed... NRA gets the credit by default. NRA is the only 'gun' group the media is anecdotally familiar with. The anti's automatically ascribe the NRA with the promulgation of'talking points' it never formulated.

    Truth is... the NRA has become acorporation of FUDD's for FUDD's that has muddled it's reason for being.It's primary function seems to be making money for the sake of making money. I'm talkin' advertising. Guns for the sake of the shooting sports, not self-defense under RKBA. Particularly the openly'bearing' part devoid of the government contrivances of permit, license, registration and regulation. In essence... they caved in to allthat long ago. Moreover... became a willing party to CCW (by permit for a price) andpromotion of 'training' (for a price) by NRA agents.They promoted the 'training' angle as apre-requisiteto the otherwise free exercise of a right. Altho NRA has a column 'The Armed Citizen' in American Rifleman magazine... the citizen is normally 'at home or place of business' in such defensive situations. I don't recall any of these tales happening 'on the street'. Another point... guns areseldom referred to as 'weapons'. NRA is rapidly becoming irrelevant as a voice for the 2A.

    Nobody ever hears about JPFO... AzCDL or the aggresssive pro-2A organizations. The media doesn't comprehend what OCDOis (or isn't). I'm still a yearly member of NRA... if only for their magazine. All the rest of their excessive mailings and solicitations get trashed. I have yet to see the national results I expectfor my money. Living in Arizona... NRA has become even less relevent. AzCDL has accomplished in a few years what the NRA never did in it's history.
    According to Scott (somebody-or-other) from the NRA, the Constitutional Carry you got this year would have been "absolutely unattainable" without NRA efforts.

    IF any of their staff had any credibility with me, that blew it out of the water.

    I'm a life member, so that I can vote, but they're even crapping on that by disenfranchising me from their meetings. Absentee is all I have.
    Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population. -Albert Einstein

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    Tess wrote:
    According to Scott (somebody-or-other) from the NRA, the Constitutional Carry you got this year would have been "absolutely unattainable" without NRA efforts.

    IF any of their staff had any credibility with me, that blew it out of the water.

    I'm a life member, so that I can vote, but they're even crapping on that by disenfranchising me from their meetings. Absentee is all I have.
    What efforts? NRA had nothing whateverto do with Constitutional Carry. Apparently tho they're ready and willing to take all the credit. The credit belongs to AzCDL and it's membership.

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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    Tess wrote:
    According to Scott (somebody-or-other) from the NRA, the Constitutional Carry you got this year would have been "absolutely unattainable" without NRA efforts.

    IF any of their staff had any credibility with me, that blew it out of the water.

    I'm a life member, so that I can vote, but they're even crapping on that by disenfranchising me from their meetings. Absentee is all I have.
    What efforts? NRA had nothing whateverto do with Constitutional Carry. Apparently tho they're ready and willing to take all the credit. The credit belongs to AzCDL and it's membership.
    Oh, I fully understand. I'm on the AzCDL e-mail list, and was watching carefully how hard you folks worked.
    Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population. -Albert Einstein

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