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    I serve on the board of a non-profit community clinic. We have an individual who works as a security guard. He is not a professional security guard. In fact, he was the janitor before. So first, I am wondering if any laws are broken?

    If not then I move to another question. He is a current CPL holder but he does not carry at work because he was not asked (and was afraid to ask) and he wasn't sure of the legality since he is not a professional security guard. We got into an Open Carry discussion and he is looking into it for off work. So the question is, if he gets permission from the board can he Open or Conceal Carry or does he have to be licensed security guard?

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    id say that he'd be legal OC or CC,he has a valid cpl,and would only need an "ok" from the bosses to carry.

    if i am incorrect somebody will chime in.
    not a lawyer, dont take anything i say as legal advice.


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    If the place he is working for says they want him to carry he can.

    I would get it in writing though

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    I can tell you from personal experience, he will have to be bonded. Unless the business owner is willing to accept responsibility for any liable actions by the employee. Especially if he is armed.

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    WARCHILD wrote:
    I can tell you from personal experience, he will have to be bonded. Unless the business owner is willing to accept responsibility for any liable actions by the employee. Especially if he is armed.
    ...this is my understanding as well...

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    WARCHILD wrote:
    I can tell you from personal experience, he will have to be bonded. Unless the business owner is willing to accept responsibility for any liable actions by the employee. Especially if he is armed.
    But that is true whether armed or not.

    Since he has his CPL, he would be legal to open carry even if your clinic were to be classified as a hospital.

    Considering that clinics are not on any do not carry list I see no problem with him carrying open or concealed.

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    Savage.Detroit wrote:
    I serve on the board of a non-profit community clinic. We have an individual who works as a security guard. He is not a professional security guard. In fact, he was the janitor before. So first, I am wondering if any laws are broken?

    If not then I move to another question. He is a current CPL holder but he does not carry at work because he was not asked (and was afraid to ask) and he wasn't sure of the legality since he is not a professional security guard. We got into an Open Carry discussion and he is looking into it for off work. So the question is, if he gets permission from the board can he Open or Conceal Carry or does he have to be licensed security guard?
    Michigan does not require armed security guards to be licensed unlike Tennessee and Pennsylvania require licensing if armed. He is also exempt (if allowed to carry) under 29.425o, Subsection (4)(b) for all CPZ's:

    (b) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is employed or contracted by an entity described under subsection (1) to provide security services and is required by his or her employer or the terms of a contract to carry a concealed firearm on the premises of the employing or contracting entity.

    As a current employee of the clinic who, somewhat, was promoted to security guard, and not a contract security guard (bonded), it's highly unlikely they will allow him to carry when they would be assuming full responsibility.

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    Actually there are two types of "security guards" in the state of michigan. One type is security guards who work for a licensed security company and then are contracted out. They may or may not be armed depending on the needs and wishes of the client.

    The other type is proprietary security i.e., security that is hired directly by the organization. There is no regulations governing proprietary security officers. They can be armed or unarmed depending on the wish of their employers They can carry concealed or open without license on the property of their employer. If they leave the property they are subject to any and all CPL and/or OC laws or regulation.

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    Thanks guys. Some cars near but not actually on clinic property had their catalytic converters removed in the middle of the day so we have had the security guard have a stronger presence in our parking lot. This may be brought up at the next meeting.

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