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    I got a ticket which I believe is a Misdemeanor, Can I lose my cpl over this?

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    22-250 wrote:
    I got a ticket which I believe is a Misdemeanor, Can I lose my cpl over this?
    All depends on what the misdemeanor is for!

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    It was for a unsecured load in my pick up truck?

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    22-250 wrote:
    It was for a unsecured load in my pick up truck?
    Then no it doesnt do anything. Here is the list that would disqualified you.

    Have not been convicted of one of the following misdemeanors in the 3 years immediately preceding the date of application:

    Operating under the influence, MCL 257.625
    Refusal of commercial vehicle operator to submit to a chemical test, MCL 257.625a
    Ignition interlock device reporting violation, MCL 257.625k
    Circumventing an ignition interlocking device, MCL 257.625l
    Operating a commercial vehicle with alcohol content, MCL 257.625m(3)
    Operating an aircraft under the influence, MCL 259.185
    Operating an ORV under the influence, MCL 324.81134
    Operating an ORV while visibly impaired, MCL 324.81135
    Operating a snowmobile under the influence, MCL 324.82127
    Controlled substances, MCL 333.7401 to 333.7461
    Operating a locomotive under the influence, MCL 462.353(3)
    Disorderly person, MCL 750.167
    Embezzlement, MCL 750.174
    False pretenses with intent to defraud, MCL 750.218
    Larceny, MCL 750.356
    Second-degree retail fraud, MCL 750.356d
    Larceny, vacant building, MCL 750.359
    Larceny, by conversion, MCL 750.362
    Larceny, defrauding lessor, MCL 750.362a
    Malicious destruction of property, MCL 750.377a
    Malicious destruction of real property, MCL 750.380
    Receiving stolen property, MCL 750.535
    Malicious use of telephones, MCL 750.540e

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    Yikes, look what has happened in Washington State due to unsecured loads.

    http://tacoma.injuryboard.com/automo...oogleid=202810

    Last May, Gov. Christine Gregoire signed into law House Bill 1478 -- also known as "Maria's Law" -- which made it a gross misdemeanor if an unsecured load causes an injury, carrying with it a maximum penalty of a year in jail and a $5,000 fine. A driver whose unsecured items cause property damage can now be charged with a misdemeanor crime.


    Before the law's passage, drivers who lost their loads could only be cited for a traffic infraction with a maximum fine of $250.

    A second bill, which builds on Maria's Law, was signed by Gregoire on March 28. House Bill 2612 makes failing to secure a load a criminal act if it results in a death or injury. The new law also makes victims eligible for money from the state's Crime Victims Compensation program.



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    you should be ok 22, but it does give a really sick feeling though.

    You would have laughed if you saw one of my loads. I had an S10 truck bed strapped to the roof of that red festiva once. We sold it for scrap. you should have seen the looks we got driving down I 75 with that. I couldnt get the car over 55 because of the air resistance.:PI had to line the trucks wheel wells up with the door glass on the car, in order to see out. lol

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    How does anything on that list have anything to do with firearms carry? Do our legislators just pull this stuff out of their glory holes?

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    If you get 3 civil infractions in one year, the gun board can call you in front of them to possibly suspend your CPL.

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    as a truck driver nothing pisses me off more than a unsecured load.

    I have seen the worst accidents of my time drivig from people, usually in pickup trucks, losing their load on a highway. I've seen chairs, metal sheets, rods, and pretty much everything else go through cars, or completely smash them, I believe this should be a felony. I have heard a few truck drivers been charged with a felony for unsecured loads.

    such as the time a car hauler lost one of his ramps, bounced off the road, killed a father and a mother while their three kids were unharmed in the back seat.

    I was a witness to that accident on i5 in California 40 miles north of LA.

    also for anyone who needs to know, one strap is required every 10 feet of a load, minium of two straps.

    secure your loads, save lives.

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    scot623 wrote:
    If you get 3 civil infractions in one year, the gun board can call you in front of them to possibly suspend your CPL.
    cite?

    CoonDog wrote:
    How does anything on that list have anything to do with firearms carry? Do our legislators just pull this stuff out of their glory holes?
    Yes.

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    stainless1911 wrote:
    scot623 wrote:
    If you get 3 civil infractions in one year, the gun board can call you in front of them to possibly suspend your CPL.
    cite?
    Am I reading that wrong?

    28.428 Revocation of licenses; grounds; hearing; suspension; order; notice.
    Sec. 8. (1) The concealed weapon licensing board that issued a license to an individual to carry a concealed
    pistol may revoke that license if the board determines that the individual committed any violation of this act
    other than a violation of section 5f(4). If the board determines that the individual has been found responsible
    for 3 or more state civil infraction violations of this act during the license period, the board shall conduct a
    hearing and may suspend the individual's license for not more than 1 year.
    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(lf2vwuuxtu24uq45hqylo555))/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-28-428.pdf

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    scot623 wrote:
    stainless1911 wrote:
    scot623 wrote:
    If you get 3 civil infractions in one year, the gun board can call you in front of them to possibly suspend your CPL.
    cite?
    Am I reading that wrong?

    28.428 Revocation of licenses; grounds; hearing; suspension; order; notice.
    Sec. 8. (1) The concealed weapon licensing board that issued a license to an individual to carry a concealed
    pistol may revoke that license if the board determines that the individual committed any violation of this act
    other than a violation of section 5f(4). If the board determines that the individual has been found responsible
    for 3 or more state civil infraction violations of this act during the license period, the board shall conduct a
    hearing and may suspend the individual's license for not more than 1 year.
    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(lf2vwuuxtu24uq45hqylo555))/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-28-428.pdf
    3 civil infraction violations of this act - that means CPL/carry violations, like failure to disclose, etc.

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    I was just rereading that...caught my own mistake also.

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    On a unrelated note...my wife and I get our CPL's Friday.

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    thanks.

    I started thinking about traffic tickets and such. I have a camaro

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    congrats to you both

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    scot623 wrote:
    On a unrelated note...my wife and I get our CPL's Friday.
    Did you both have to appear in front of the gun board at some point? I head Macomb calls every applicant in?
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    kyleplusitunes wrote:
    as a truck driver nothing pisses me off more than a unsecured load.

    I have seen the worst accidents of my time drivig from people, usually in pickup trucks, losing their load on a highway. I've seen chairs, metal sheets, rods, and pretty much everything else go through cars, or completely smash them, I believe this should be a felony. I have heard a few truck drivers been charged with a felony for unsecured loads.

    such as the time a car hauler lost one of his ramps, bounced off the road, killed a father and a mother while their three kids were unharmed in the back seat.

    I was a witness to that accident on i5 in California 40 miles north of LA.

    also for anyone who needs to know, one strap is required every 10 feet of a load, minium of two straps.

    secure your loads, save lives.
    It's amazing the things people see in the trucks. I remember driving down I-39 in Wisconsin and there was an old-timer pulling a car trailer loaded up with what looked to be the last load of him moving. First the monitor came out, then the keyboard, a few other miscellaneous items, then the actual computer. When the computer started sliding, it was going pretty straight, so I passed him to avoid it.

    As for the strap requirement, that's just a length thing--it can easily be more straps if it's steel, plus there's special requirements for coils and such.

    The worst loads to deal with on the big truck were the Lowe's loads (at least for me). They stuck everything on the trailer like it was going to have 4 walls to keep it from going anywhere, and that PVC pipe will always come loose--especially since there's no way to belly-strap it when it's up top. Only had the straps come loose once. Didn't lose anything, but it was a real pain trying to get it all into position so I could restrap it. That was the result of the PVC shifting, even belly-strapped.

    On a side note, I've known people who don't have tailgates to get one of those nets for a pickup as even a pop can in the back without a tailgate can be considered an unsecured load (from what I was told).

    An acquaintance of mine lost a brand new freezer going down I-94. He and his buddy both bought one, they were in the bed taking up the width, one behind the other, and the front one just lifted off and flew out.

    I had a few DOT interactions, and they've always been happy with the logbook and the securement. My loads have never hurt anyone, I'd like the same courtesy from other drivers.

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    fozzy71 wrote:
    scot623 wrote:
    On a unrelated note...my wife and I get our CPL's Friday.
    Did you both have to appear in front of the gun board at some point? I head Macomb calls every applicant in?
    Our gun board appt's are both 9:00am Friday.

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    scot623 wrote:
    On a unrelated note...my wife and I get our CPL's Friday.
    Congrats. I received my approval letter Tuesday to pick up my CPL.

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    How is this justifiable in a shall issue state?

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    I was carrying slabwood, the cop wrote it up as logs, Now please read MCL 257.720. Can I beat this ticket?


    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(snv5v2ndywmckerjjs1rri45))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-257-720

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    What exactly is slabwood? partially cut logs?

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    The scrap left over from turning trees into lumber..

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    Was your load banded and the banded portions then secured by tension straps as in this picture?

    http://www.cswoods.com/


    Just wondering...

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