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    Hey all,
    Noob Member here...

    Great bunch of people, and lots of cool info, kudos, very nice site indeed.

    Anyhow, I have an old M1911 Colt 45 ACP that's been collecting dust since
    my dad passed away (15 years).
    Dad said he got it from a friend of a friend and didn't wan't to register it for
    fear the govt. would someday confiscate all our guns, (maybe, maybe not).

    I've been afraid to try to register it because it says US Government Property,
    and would be kept and melted down.
    Or I will be fined for waiting too long to register.

    But, I can't, (legally), sell it, carry it, shoot it, or transport it.
    And it is rather useless as a boat anchor, cause it isn't heavy enough.

    Might be worth $1000+ to a collector though...
    Could use the cash for getting a 9mm for my future carry pistol.
    Kinda like the CZ 75 P-01 & Sig P226, although kinda big for CC.

    My current (legal) pistols are only 22cal.

    Anybody have any experiences or info on this

    Oh, and what type of case is allowed to transport pistol to get registered ?
    All I have are "soft cases", not lockable.

    Just signed up for CPL class (for June maybe) to eventually get my CPL.
    I'd hate to screw things up, having pistols without papers

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    Welcome.

    I like your dads idea.

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    executor of estate fills out the purchase permit as seller,you are buyer.
    not a lawyer, dont take anything i say as legal advice.


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    lil_freak_66 wrote:
    executor of estate fills out the purchase permit as seller,you are buyer.
    Yep this!
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

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    lil_freak_66 wrote:
    executor of estate fills out the purchase permit as seller,you are buyer.
    Not quite that simple. Heabob is in possession ofan oldhandgun. The pistol belonged to his father who never had the pistol registered. The only way that I know of to get this cleared up is for Heabob to contact his local PD or Sheriff's Department and explain the situation.

    Had the pistol been registered when the father possessed it it would be an easy fix--a death certificate and a signature would take care of it at his local PD or Sheriff's Department.

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    Of course heabob just found this pistol buried in some of his dads stuff, not knowing he was in posession of it, annd called the police immediately upon discovery.

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    stainless1911 wrote:
    Of course heabob just found this pistol buried in some of his dads stuff, not knowing he was in posession of it, annd called the police immediately upon discovery.
    Yeah, I think that's what he meant to say...

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    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    stainless1911 wrote:
    Of course heabob just found this pistol buried in some of his dads stuff, not knowing he was in posession of it, annd called the police immediately upon discovery.
    Yeah, I think that's what he meant to say...
    That was my take too

    And the are not likely to give him any trouble for attempting to comply with the law. If for some reason the serial number came back that it had been used in a crime then it could get sticky... other than that...
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

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    I've been afraid to try to register it because it says US Government Property,

    Just a thought....
    Keep in mind, you may lose the gun when the serial number is run and no record of sale from the military is shown. It may be confiscated as a stolen gun and returned to the military for disposal.

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    Why should they ever see the gun? Just a question...
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

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    If / when he tries to register it. I take from his post that's what he wants to do.

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    grease, PVC tube and a shovel

    Save your money and go buy something else to carry.

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    As a similar issue; an old neighbor of mine passed away and his son found an old M1 Garrand in the closet. Same stamping..Govt property..
    Upon going through his dad's files, he found the sales receipt from Springfield armory where his dad had bought it. We all know used military firearms are sold and this is why you want to keep the paperwork.

    JMO

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    WARCHILD wrote:
    As a similar issue; an old neighbor of mine passed away and his son found an old M1 Garrand in the closet. Same stamping..Govt property..
    Upon going through his dad's files, he found the sales receipt from Springfield armory where his dad had bought it. We all know used military firearms are sold and this is why you want to keep the paperwork.

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    I attending a legislative update at Ultimate Protection Academy in Clinton Township last week. One of the topics was legislation pending/passed? (Will correct later) that allows legal protection for a period of 90 days to take in an inherited firearm for registration. No more relying on authorities to "do the right thing"!

    Many here may also be interested in knowing that Ultimate Protection Academy also has a range facility (didn't get to check it out that night) and they are OC friendly. They are on the west side of Gratiot Avenue just south of 21 Mile Road.
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    Doug is right. remember Katrina? We also have a socialist government. It is very important to keep one "under the table" Seal that pvc tube, and throw a box of rounds in there too.

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    I'm not suggesting you go out and do this, but a sleazy under handed and immoral street solution would be to have an out of state license to carry holder come in, pretend it's theirs, and do a FFL transaction where your own pistol gets "sold" to you.

    Another possibility would be to say that you bought it when you lived in a free state (if you ever did) and left it stashed with a friend, but only brought it back recently, and now need to go register it.

    But of course I know you'll do the right thing and turn it in to be destroyed (pocketed by your local police) since the gun is contraband.
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    That could go badly. The fewer people who are aware of this the better. I say keep it under the table. There are hundreds of thousands of people in dozens of countries who wish they had the opportunity that you have.

    The gov doesnt know about this one. They dont know where to look, no one knows about it to hold it over your head, there is no reasonable suspicion, or probable cause to look, man you have it made. It would take knowing someone who knows someone, several years, and a reputation to be trusted with the local street thugs and gangbangers to get another gun off the books, take this one and run with it. Nobodys coming to your door in the middle of the night looking for this thing in the next 15 years either.



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    By the way, if one way or another you ever register it, I highly suggest you not sell it, especially if you have kids or nieces and nephews. 1911's with a family history are something very special that you can hand down. Both my great grandpa and grandpa had 1911's and other guns issued to them in the world wars, and my grandpa got rid of all of them when my great grandpa died. It would have been incredibly special to my brother and I to carry their 1911's, and maybe go hunting with their 97 trench gun and Garand.

    Sometimes it's best to put future generations ahead of your own current desires.:?
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    stainless1911 wrote:
    That could go badly. The fewer people who are aware of this the better. I say keep it under the table. There are hundreds of thousands of people in dozens of countries who wish they had the opportunity that you have.

    The gov doesnt know about this one. They dont know where to look, no one knows about it to hold it over your head, there is no reasonable suspicion, or probable cause to look, man you have it made. It would take knowing someone who knows someone, several years, and a reputation to be trusted with the local street thugs and gangbangers to get another gun off the books, take this one and run with it. Nobodys coming to your door in the middle of the night looking for this thing in the next 15 years either.

    In your position as someone who has been convicted of a crime, advocating criminal actions openly is not something I'd suggest.

    Another thing worth mentioning is that there is no provision I have ever heard of under Michigan law to unregister a gun that you personally destroy or have destroyed out of state. If there ever was a turn them all in ban, aside from the fact it would be time to over throw the government as specified by the Declaration of Independence, you could simply say you had your gun destroyed out of state. My CZ52 is an excellent example. It doesn't exist any more because the police in Arizona had it melted down by my request, but it is still registered to me, and the MSP refused to unregister it, telling me that if it ever ended up being used in a crime somewhere to simply explain I gave it over to the cops in AZ for destruction.
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    Michigander wrote:
    to simply explain I gave it over to the cops in AZ for destruction.
    Did they give you a receipt when they took possesion of it?

    When Kahr replaced the frame on my CW40 they sent a letter along with the new frame saying that they had taken permanent possession of the old frame serial # XXXXXX. When I regisered the new frame I showed the letter to the clerk and she had never seen one before and didn't know if they were supposed to do anything with it. She just handed it back to me and told me to keep it with my files.

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    Bronson wrote:
    Did they give you a receipt when they took possesion of it?
    No, I was much more concerned with going to the hospital at the time.
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    I wasnt convicted of a crime.



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    stainless1911 wrote:
    That could go badly. The fewer people who are aware of this the better. I say keep it under the table. There are hundreds of thousands of people in dozens of countries who wish they had the opportunity that you have.

    The gov doesnt know about this one. They dont know where to look, no one knows about it to hold it over your head, there is no reasonable suspicion, or probable cause to look, man you have it made. It would take knowing someone who knows someone, several years, and a reputation to be trusted with the local street thugs and gangbangers to get another gun off the books, take this one and run with it. Nobodys coming to your door in the middle of the night looking for this thing in the next 15 years either.

    Yeah thats right, nobody knows about it!

    Oh wait... didn't you just post it on the f***ing internet?

    ...so right. Maybe we should rethink this one.

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    Evil Creamsicle wrote:
    stainless1911 wrote:
    That could go badly. The fewer people who are aware of this the better. I say keep it under the table. There are hundreds of thousands of people in dozens of countries who wish they had the opportunity that you have.

    The gov doesnt know about this one. They dont know where to look, no one knows about it to hold it over your head, there is no reasonable suspicion, or probable cause to look, man you have it made. It would take knowing someone who knows someone, several years, and a reputation to be trusted with the local street thugs and gangbangers to get another gun off the books, take this one and run with it. Nobodys coming to your door in the middle of the night looking for this thing in the next 15 years either.

    Yeah thats right, nobody knows about it!

    Oh wait... didn't you just post it on the f***ing internet?

    ...so right. Maybe we should rethink this one.
    Ahh yes, I thought of this after posting...Duh!
    Just a minute... somebody's at the door... Oh Sh.t ! (J/K)

    Thanks guys, for all the ideas, many of which, I have pondered already.

    Grease, PVC, Shovel... (I love it, but...)
    10 years have passed, my whole yard has holes dug everywhere...
    I dared not tell anybody where I put it, might get ripped off you know.
    "Dang, could have swore I buried something here, or maybe over there".

    As the proverbial "cat is outta the bag now" scenario goes, I will most
    likely take her in for attempted registration, to get a clear conscience.

    Oddly enough, I've had far more troubles in life from being too honest.
    Our society teaches us that it pays better to be otherwise.
    Hey, the Govt. can do it, why can't we ? (just following our leaders).
    Only difference is, we get caught and go to jail.
    They get caught, and get appointed to cabinet positions.
    And to think I voted for Obama, my bad.
    Voted for Bush, my bad... voted for Clinton, my bad...
    Voted for daddy Bush, sorry... can't remember if I voted for Carter,
    or Reagan...
    I think I'm gonna quit voting, as it seems I always pick the wrong guy,
    not that the "other guy" would have done any better.

    They say it's un-patriotic to not vote, I say... Bah Humbug!

    Grr!, sorry for the long rant, I hate all the crap they're doing.

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