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    Police told The Daily Herald of Everett the owner of a golden retriever was trying to protect it Tuesday from being attacked by two bulldogs. The 44-year-old Sultan man, who has a concealed weapons permit, was hitting one of the bulldogs with the gun when it fired.

    Police say the shooting apparently was an accident, but the Snohomish County prosecutor's office will decided whether to charge the man.

    The wounded bulldog underwent surgery and is expected to recover. The retriever had bite injuries to the face and neck.

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    I bet this guy was glad he had a gun in a park. I'm not clear on why/how this was accidental; maybe he claimed he was just pistol whipping the dog, and the gun "went off." But even if the prosecutor believes he shot the dog on purpose, I don't see anything wrong with a dog owner shooting other dogs that attack his pet, assuming his pet is on-leash and under control, and the other dogs are running loose.

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    Great story to read on here Drew! This brings up a question I have had many times... I take my dog to a dog park next to a elementary school... so I do not open carry while there. However with animals little scuffles do tend to happen (especially when a pack of them is involved) even with the nicest of dogs. I feel I would be within my rights if I feared for my dog or my own safety to shoot another aggressive animal. Any thoughts to the contrary or law specific reasoning would be appreciated!

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    A dog lover shooting a dog has to be tough. I am glad both dogs will live. Dogs are for some, there kids, family members. You protect them like you would a family member. I feel I would have done the same thing.
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    Anything attacking my dog is doing it to get to me.

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    Another "the gun just went off" story. And we wonder why there's people who think guns kill people.
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    Interesting point... Something to consider.
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    I take my dogs to an off-leash dog park almost everyday, and I've Oc'd for a number of years. I started OC'ing there when one of my dogs was attacked by a huge St. Bernard, who then attacked me. After a struggle, the owner was finally able to get the dog off of me, but not before I sustained several bites requiring stitches (and a subsequent infection). Now I live by the words, "Not me. Not mine. Not today!"

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    brianstone1985 wrote:
    This brings up a question I have had many times... I take my dog to a dog park next to a elementary school... so I do not open carry while there.
    Just to be clear, as long as you have a CPL, there is no legal reason to prevent you from carrying, open or concealed, while at a park that is not on school property, butnear a school.

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    Really? Wow now I feel dumb...

    I think of myself as someone that knows their rights...

    I will have to look into this or Drew may be getting a call from me ! hehe

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    69Charger wrote:
    A dog lover shooting a dog has to be tough. I am glad both dogs will live. Dogs are for some, there kids, family members. You protect them like you would a family member. I feel I would have done the same thing.
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    I just got a call from Shimari Stone the KOMO reporter that covered our Dino's meet last Oct..He had to tell me that he wanted me to know he was the only reporter that spoke to the dogs owner.Who he found had aCPL and that after the police investigated said there will be no charges.He also wanted me to know that the other stations didn't cover it that way and there seems to be a real bias against gun owners here...He sounded really upset about the way the other stations were reporting this and the bias that seemed to be in their reports. As you can see we have establised a good repoir with some of these reporters and they are not all biased.

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    too bad he cant report on the other biased reporters.
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    Not good to hear but not to surprising ether. There chain of command shows that the **** runs down hill. DO AS YOU ARE TOLD. Wonder how the reporters really feel about things?
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    Drew can correct me if I am wrong, but you can shoot/kill other animals doing damage to your property. A dog is your property if another dog is doing damage to it I see nothing wrong in shooting/killing it.

    Now me personally I wouldn't if my animal started the provocation.
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    RCW 16.08 , 16.10

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    Trigger Dr wrote:
    RCW 16.08 , 16.10
    Thanks I was perusing the RCW's now trying to find it.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    deanf wrote:
    Anything attacking my dog is doing it to get to me.
    With respect there is a difference between dog on dog agression and dog on people aggression.

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    Hendo wrote:
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    Anything attacking my dog is doing it to get to me.
    With respect there is a difference between dog on dog agression and dog on people aggression.
    One gives a person a right to use lethal force, and the other gives the dog the right to use lethal force.

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    Well my point was that not all dog on dog aggression has anything to do with people. I regularly took my pit/lab mix to the off leash area and while as he got older he had some "conversations" with certain alpha dogs he was never aggressive with people.

    He in fact was the sweetest and gentlest to my grandkids when they were toddlers.

    This is not to say that shooting a dog attacking your dog is necessarily wrong - but to say that not all dog on dog aggression means you are next.

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    Police told The Daily Herald of Everett the owner of a golden retriever was trying to protect it Tuesday from being attacked by two bulldogs. The 44-year-old Sultan man, who has a concealed weapons permit, was hitting one of the bulldogs with the gun when it fired.

    Police say the shooting apparently was an accident, but the Snohomish County prosecutor's office will decided whether to charge the man.

    The wounded bulldog underwent surgery and is expected to recover. The retriever had bite injuries to the face and neck.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...yndication=rss



    I bet this guy was glad he had a gun in a park. I'm not clear on why/how this was accidental; maybe he claimed he was just pistol whipping the dog, and the gun "went off." But even if the prosecutor believes he shot the dog on purpose, I don't see anything wrong with a dog owner shooting other dogs that attack his pet, assuming his pet is on-leash and under control, and the other dogs are running loose.
    I find this topic disturbing as I do have a little Shih Tzu all 10 lbs soak and wet. And if he was attacked I am not so sure I could resist in putting down an attacking dog.

    I am not saying this would be an easy legal battle but one that I would consider taking.
    RCW 16.08.020 Dogs injuring stock may be killed.

    It shall be lawful for any person who shall see any dog or dogs chasing, biting, injuring or killing any sheep, swine or other domestic animal, including poultry, belonging to such person, on any real property owned or leased by, or under the control of, such person, or on any public highway, to kill such dog or dogs, and it shall be the duty of the owner or keeper of any dog or dogs so found chasing, biting or injuring any domestic animal, including poultry, upon being notified of that fact by the owner of such domestic animals or poultry, to thereafter keep such dog or dogs in leash or confined upon the premises of the owner or keeper thereof, and in case any such owner or keeper of a dog or dogs shall fail or neglect to comply with the provisions of this section, it shall be lawful for the owner of such domestic animals or poultry to kill such dog or dogs found running at large.
    A domestic animal is an animal that can live with Human. Such as dogs, cats, rats, snakes, lizards, turtles, ect A domesticated animal is any animal that depends on a human for food, water and shelter this includes farm animals such as cattle, horses, sheep, etc... as well as dogs and cats and other house pets.
    Drew what is your take on this RCW, dog off leash and attacking your pet, would this be considered a dog running at large? and with in the guidelines of the above RCW?


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    Dave, I can't really answer that sort of direct question on an internet forum without possibly exposing myself to liability.

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    olypendrew wrote:
    Dave, I can't really answer that sort of direct question on an internet forum without possibly exposing myself to liability.
    Yet if you are astute enough you can gather how you mightpersonally feel from your original post. LOL.


    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    BigDave wrote:
    on any real property owned or leased by, or under the control of, such person, or on any public highway,
    So this RCW can only be used (as a defense of action)on:

    • Real property belonging to the victim (victim = the person defending their livestock or domestic animal from attack).
    • Leased property, under the victims name.
    • Property under direct control of the victim (i.e. housesitting).
    • A public highway.
    How does the state, or case law,define "public highway." Is that only a State Route / State Highway... or is it any public road?

    I doubt it would apply to a dog park, but I'd be curious if it applied to an 'ordinary,' residential road. Maybe the last part "running at large" would cover any public road / public property?
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