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    State Supreme Court: Internet filters at libraries OK
    The Washington state Supreme Court has ruled that public libraries can use Internet filters to block content.

    By Rachel La Corte

    The Associated Press



    OLYMPIA — Public libraries' use of Internet filters to block content does not run afoul of the state constitution, the Washington state Supreme Court ruled Thursday.

    In a 6-3 ruling, the majority said libraries have discretion about which Internet content to allow, just as they decide which magazines and books to offer.

    "A public library can decide that it will not include pornography and other adult materials in its collection in accord with its mission and policies and, as explained, no unconstitutionality necessarily results," wrote the majority, led by Chief Justice Barbara Madsen. "It can make the same choices about Internet access."

    Justices Susan Owens, Charles Johnson, Mary Fairhurst and Gerry Alexander signed on in agreement.

    Justice Jim Johnson wrote a separate opinion, agreeing with the majority conclusion but saying the focus of the reasoning should be on scarcity of resources that libraries deal with, which in turn allows them to filter materials they obtain for their collections.

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    The ACLU represented three library users and the pro-gun Second Amendment Foundation, arguing the district should be ordered to provide unblocked access to the Internet when adults request it.

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    The Bellevue-based Second Amendment Foundation contends the library district blocked online access to Women & Guns, a magazine it sponsors covering topics such as self-defense and recreational shooting.
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    OK. NO gun porn for you. Go to the back of the line. LOL
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    gogodawgs wrote:
    "A public library can decide that it will not include pornography and other adult materials in its collection..."
    How the hell can internet content be considered to be "in the library's collection"?

    I can see a library not wishing to spend limited funds on a Penthouse subscription. I can see internet filtering for minors, but not for adult patrons. And in what way is a gun magazine "adult materials"?

    This is ********.

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    I'll bet they have dozens of gun books on the shelves, maybe gun magazines, too, so it isn't about guns.

    i suspect they have a commercial filtering program that is also sold to schools.

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    Hope none of the kids has to do any research on firearms for school.

    You know, like a civil war class or something.
    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -John Stuart Mill

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    gogodawgs wrote:
    In a 6-3 ruling, the majority said libraries have discretion about which Internet content to allow, just as they decide which magazines and books to offer.

    "A public library can decide that it will not include pornography and other adult materials in its collection in accord with its mission and policies and, as explained, no unconstitutionality necessarily results," wrote the majority, led by Chief Justice Barbara Madsen. "It can make the same choices about Internet access."

    Justices Susan Owens, Charles Johnson, Mary Fairhurst and Gerry Alexander signed on in agreement.

    Justice Jim Johnson wrote a separate opinion, agreeing with the majority conclusion but saying the focus of the reasoning should be on scarcity of resources that libraries deal with, which in turn allows them to filter materials they obtain for their collections.

    <SNIP>

    The ACLU represented three library users and the pro-gun Second Amendment Foundation, arguing the district should be ordered to provide unblocked access to the Internet when adults request it.

    <SNIP>

    The Bellevue-based Second Amendment Foundation contends the library district blocked online access to Women & Guns, a magazine it sponsors covering topics such as self-defense and recreational shooting.
    Well lets see here... my taxes pay for the Library, so I guess then I can stop paying my taxes right? Oh no? You mean if I stop paying my taxes that pay for stuff that I disagree with, you can come and use violent force to take my money from me... but I can't do the same with you? Who would have guessed that we were living in a tyranny.

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    bcp wrote:
    I'll bet they have dozens of gun books on the shelves, maybe gun magazines, too, so it isn't about guns.

    i suspect they have a commercial filtering program that is also sold to schools.

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    Sadly no. I work at a school district and as of yet have not been blocked by our internet filtering for anything firearm related.

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    Sounds to me like the law allows the library to choose whether or not to filter out gun related material

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    Luckily this is a referral to the State Supreme Court. The federal case proceeds now under the 1A.

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    I can't believe they didn't strike this down.....they can set up separate accounts for those over 18/21 that might need fullaccess.

    Really...they need to read a book on how easy this would be to set up. no reason for thisat all.

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    swatspyder wrote:
    China, HERE WE COME!!!
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    killchain wrote:
    Hope none of the kids has to do any research on firearms for school.

    You know, like a civil war class or something.
    Don't worry. They already rewrote the history books in school. Turns out the North and South had a strongly worded discussion and they worked it out. The debate at Gettysburg really got heated though.

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    Before everyone gets their knickers in a twist, it would be better to read the ruling.

    SAF was a plaintiff, but the ruling pretty much deals with on-line porn, the way I read it.

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    The problem is that oncea government supported agencyis allowed to censor material that should be freely available to adults, such as porn, the other dominoes will begin to fall. Porn websites today, gun websites tomorrow, tea party sites next, then Oathkeepers, etc. Little tyrant censors love to have power over others.

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    Ajetpilot wrote:
    The problem is that oncea government supported agencyis allowed to censor material that should be freely available to adults, such as porn, the other dominoes will begin to fall. Porn websites today, gun websites tomorrow, tea party sites next, then Oathkeepers, etc. Little tyrant censors love to have power over others.
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    Tekman wrote:
    bcp wrote:
    I'll bet they have dozens of gun books on the shelves, maybe gun magazines, too, so it isn't about guns.

    i suspect they have a commercial filtering program that is also sold to schools.

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    Sadly no.* I work at a school district and as of yet have not been blocked by our internet filtering for anything firearm related.
    The your district may very well be in violation of federal law.
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    Son_of_Perdition wrote:
    killchain wrote:
    Hope none of the kids has to do any research on firearms for school.

    You know, like a civil war class or something.
    Don't worry. They already rewrote the history books in school. Turns out the North and South had a strongly worded discussion and they worked it out. The debate at Gettysburg really got heated though.
    I was told in a (edit: College) History class (topics covered from Civil War to WW2) that the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. As I raise my hand and say, "So what was the Emancipation Proclamation about then?" she gives me this nasty look and says, "We're not covering that today!"

    Imagine that. We never covered it.

    I can't believe I pay for this bulls***.
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    Gray Peterson wrote:
    Luckily this is a referral to the State Supreme Court.* The federal case proceeds now under the 1A.
    +1
    We demand access to information. This has 1A problems written all over it.

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    Well, the Proclamation was about creating chaos deep in the South. Lincoln was attempting to disrupt the war-making ability of the South by encouraging internal rebellion by the 'freed' slaves. This would require Confederate troops to return home for local control thus bleeding troops from the front.

    Remember, not all slaves were freed; only those in States in rebellion.

    In my mind, the Civil War was fought over whether or not this country will have a Federal Government so powerful it could militarily compel States to not only comply with Federal regulations, but be unable to leave the Republic as well.

    You decide who won, the government, or the people.

    Carry on.

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    jmlefler wrote:
    Well, the Proclamation was about creating chaos deep in the South. Lincoln was attempting to disrupt the war-making ability of the South by encouraging internal rebellion by the 'freed' slaves. This would require Confederate troops to return home for local control thus bleeding troops from the front.

    Remember, not all slaves were freed; only those in States in rebellion.

    In my mind, the Civil War was fought over whether or not this country will have a Federal Government so powerful it could militarily compel States to not only comply with Federal regulations, but be unable to leave the Republic as well.

    You decide who won, the government, or the people.

    Carry on.
    This is true, but at that point wasn't slavery also illegal in the Union states?
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    actually no, many northern states had abolished the trade but current slaves in several of these states were "grandfathered in" until the 13th amendment was ratified in 1865.


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    gogodawgs wrote:

    The Bellevue-based Second Amendment Foundation contends the library district blocked online access to Women & Guns, a magazine it sponsors covering topics such as self-defense and recreational shooting.
    Was itthe "Guns" or the "Women" that triggered the censorship????
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    END_THE_FED wrote:
    actually no, many northern states had abolished the trade but current slaves in several of these states were "grandfathered in" until the 13th amendment was ratified in 1865.

    Good to know. Thanks.
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    amlevin wrote:
    gogodawgs wrote:

    The Bellevue-based Second Amendment Foundation contends the library district blocked online access to Women & Guns, a magazine it sponsors covering topics such as self-defense and recreational shooting.
    Was itthe "Guns" or the "Women" that triggered the censorship????
    govenment take over.
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