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Sylvia Plath wrote:

[...]Pro-firearm candidates are always supported by me unless they have "Tea party" in front of them, talk about a movement that utilizes the socialist system to get the word out...overflowing with a bunch of retired baby-boomers who collect their socialized paychecks and enjoy their socialized medicine on the taxpayer dime.

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You say that until you develop a chronic illness and can't pay for it.

First they're racist. Then they don't have a say because they "might" be collecting social benefits.

Aren't those "socialist programs" the birthings of liberal politics? Social justice, help out the little man?

If you sit down and think about it, EVERYONE is collecting "socialized benefits." Every time you buy ground beef or wheat and grain it's subsidized by the US government.

That argument is invalid. If people who collect social programs can't offer their opinions on how their government is run, then NO ONE can. Especially felons. Who in the Hell thought felons should get their voting rights back? Oh yeah. Democrats.

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I never said that I do not utilize social benefits. I am merely pointing out the tea party contradiction. I am all about socializing many things--healthcare being one of them.

Felons SHOULD get their voting rights back if they paid their debt to society. If a felon did his/her time they should be recognized as and given back their rights the second they step out of the custody of the state--that is not to say they should not be on probation and still have guidlines to follow but the right to vote is for all Americans--who are not incarcerated. Ahhhh, so are you arguing that felons who paid their dept to society (no matter what the felony) should not have their 2nd Amendment rights as well as their voting rights???

Saying that the statements I made are not valid because you said they are not does not make it so:idea:

I have a question--where were all of these anti-government/gubbment parties when Bush was in office, when Bush was doing everything short of shredding the Constitution and promoting our jobs to be sent overseas and crapping on hard working Americans...wait, we should not forget that cluster-crap we find ourselves stuck in Iraq with? Yea, (R) have done great things for this country. The tea party is nothing more than a right-fringe group posing as the majority. Do not take my word for it, we will find out which of us is wrong in November--I look forward to it.

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Socialism is the wrong road to go down........it hasn't worked for us in the past and it won't work for us in the future.

Life just isn't fair and we need to accept that.

I don't think it's fair that some people are born real short and some real tall, I propose that we chop off some of the heigth off tall peopel and graft them on to smaller folks........you know to be fair.

I don't like party politics but the closest to my way of thinking are the libertarians, they also seem to appreciate our constitution and the fact we are not a democracy, we are a republic.

Oh and I like rich people I used to make my living (like most people) off of them. Thank you wealthy folks. Please start building your fancy houses again I enjoy making them for you.

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Sylvia Plath wrote:

I never said that I do not utilize social benefits. I am merely pointing out the tea party contradiction. I am all about socializing many things--healthcare being one of them.

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I have a question--where were all of these anti-government/gubbment parties when Bush was in office, when Bush was doing everything short of shredding the Constitution and promoting our jobs to be sent overseas and crapping on hard working Americans...wait, we should not forget that cluster-crap we find ourselves stuck in Iraq with? Yea, (R) have done great things for this country. The tea party is nothing more than a right-fringe group posing as the majority. Do not take my word for it, we will find out which of us is wrong in November--I look forward to it.

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There is always this corroboration of ideas that because something is federal, and we all pay into it, and eventually, or hopefully ,earn something back, that it is indeed "social" in nature.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

I would have to ask what sort of indoctrination was required to come the the conclusion that healthcare for all, in a government that can't run similar smaller organizations at any sort of efficiency whatsoever, was a "good" idea.

Recently I was diagnosed with BPPV (Benign Paroxysmal Positional Vertigo), that I know has to do with a blow to my head that I took in Iraq. I have had weird, wobbly sensations ever since then, and occasionally full on world-spinning vertigo, wherein I cannot even walk. I have a god awfully annoying case of tinnitus as well, but if I had shown you the response the VA has had to some of my maladies derived from operations overseas, you would likely saw your own arms off out of sheer sympathy.

I have been telling my docs (the VA ones), several of them from California to here, about these issues, and you know what they have all said thus far?

"Oh being dizzy happens. It's perfectly normal." I kid you not.

I asked them if there appeared to be any issues inside my ears. Any signs of trauma, scarring etc., and they have all said "no".

That is the literal response I have had from the VA on several occasions. For a C&P exam I had a doc lie on the report, saying that I told her during the course of the exam, that my family has major ear issues that are hereditary in nature (What the F***?), which of course, was never said. Thankfully my wife was with me, and corroborated my experience, and the fact that this lady was lying, in order to prevent me being compensated for my ear issues.

It took a recent trip to a ER doc, at a private hospital, by a private practicioner, to look at my ears, where he told me, and I quote: "You have some pretty serious scarring and trauma to your eardrums. It looks like you took a blast or major blow to the head.".

Really? It took an ER doc 3 minutes of poking around in my ears to tell me that I had trauma, and had obviously taken serious damage to my ears, yet the VA docs over the course of 3 years, insist everything "Looks great in there", and that my dizziness is "normal, and happens to everybody".

My next appointment is in 3 weeks Sylvia. That is the absolute soonest I can be seen for this issue.

Now consider this, and the logistical implications:

The VA services an extremely small portion of the population of this country. It is minute, tiny, and insignificant in comparison.

Yet socialized healthcare is "a good idea for everyone".

Yup. Maybe most of the people who are ill can die before being seen. Seems to work for the VA.

Also, there are documented cases of the VA handing out orders to healthcare professionals to diagnose alternative illnesses to what is actually wrong, so that they may not be held responsible for certain maladies, or have to submit more expensive treatments.



As to the second portion of your post. I cannot disagree more.

I was in the Army when Bush was in office, and I cannot relay to you the amount of anger I had bottled away during my tours towards his actions.

Not much you can say about the CiC while serving, but let's just say that to me, the Patriot Act was the trigger that caught my attention as to government activity that was well above and beyond the Constitution.

Bush wiped his posterior with our Constitution, and Obama is without a doubt pulling tissue from the same roll.

The best thing a Democratic nominee could have done in this case, was to restore confidence in the people, and display adherence to the governing law of our great nation, which is the Constitution of the United States.

Making up purposes to justify ratification of socialized healthcare was NOT the appropriate response in this case. Even more so, hiding it within "interstate commerce", as a means to tax a human being by virtue of merely breathing, to pay for everyone elses maladies, is stupid at least, criminal at most.

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He's a pretty regular guy who is trying to do something truly great for himself, his family, and his country. He may not be completely right in all his thoughts, but he damn sure is closer than a lot of the people we have making decisions now. That, and that's also why we don't have individuals making choices for us without being voted on or put in check by other politions. I had the extreme pleasure of meeting him and briefly speak. Although he's labeled with Tea Party, I'm not so sure most of the people in the Tea Party are actually fully and completely for it. Most just have a good idea of following the majority who are trying to make things right.
BTW, I'm for chopping a little off the top of a lot of tall people.

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slowfiveoh wrote:

Sylvia Plath wrote:

I never said that I do not utilize social benefits. I am merely pointing out the tea party contradiction. I am all about socializing many things--healthcare being one of them.

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I wrote : The only socializing that should be done, should be done by a group of citizens in agreance with one another, like a socializing BBQ, or a socializing open carry meet, or a shoot, etc.

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Sylvia Plath wrote: Felons SHOULD get their voting rights back if they paid their debt to society.

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I wrote: No felon has ever repaid his debt to society, they have only done a sentence invoked by the court system. I have never heard of a criminal repaying a family for killing their loved ones. I have never heard of a criminal repaying the taxpayers who have supported them while they were incarcerated. Maybe the one who the crime was committed against should be his peers and the should be the ones to hand down the sentence.

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There is always this corroboration of ideas that because something is federal, and we all pay into it, and eventually, or hopefully ,earn something back, that it is indeed "social" in nature.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

I would have to ask what sort of indoctrination was required to come the the conclusion that healthcare for all, in a government that can't run similar smaller organizations at any sort of efficiency whatsoever, was a "good" idea.

Recently I was diagnosed with BPPV (Benign Paroxysmal Positional Vertigo), that I know has to do with a blow to my head that I took in Iraq.

I have been telling my docs (the VA ones), several of them from California to here, about these issues,

"Oh being dizzy happens. It's perfectly normal."

I asked them if there appeared to be any issues inside my ears. Any signs of trauma, scarring etc., and they have all said "no".

That is the literal response I have had from the VA on several occasions. in order to prevent me being compensated for my ear issues.

a recent trip to a ER doc, at a private hospital, by a private practicioner, to look at my ears, where he told me, and I quote: "You have some pretty serious scarring and trauma to your eardrums. It looks like you took a blast or major blow to the head.".

Really? It took an ER doc 3 minutes of poking around in my ears to tell me that I had trauma, and had obviously taken serious damage to my ears, yet the VA docs over the course of 3 years, insist everything "Looks great in there", and that my dizziness is "normal, and happens to everybody".

The VA services an extremely small portion of the population of this country. It is minute, tiny, and insignificant in comparison.

Yet socialized healthcare is "a good idea for everyone".

Yup. Maybe most of the people who are ill can die before being seen. Seems to work for the VA.

Also, there are documented cases of the VA handing out orders to healthcare professionals to diagnose alternative illnesses to what is actually wrong, so that they may not be held responsible for certain maladies, or have to submit more expensive treatments.

Bush wiped his posterior with our Constitution, and Obama is without a doubt pulling tissue from the same roll.

The best thing a Democratic nominee could have done in this case, was to restore confidence in the people, and display adherence to the governing law of our great nation, which is the Constitution of the United States.

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Wow, cant wait to get my socialist health care... wont be long and private practitioners will be a thing of the past. Only thing left will be your govt trained kinda dr's.

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Aryk45XD wrote:

He's a pretty regular guy who is trying to do something truly great for himself, his family, and his country.

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I have no doubt he is a hard working American that believes in his country, just like the rest of us. I applaud his 2nd Amendment stance.