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rscottie wrote:
So, logically thinking, what would happen in a world without guns? People would run through the halls stabbing people? maybe. I know it's not something that will ever happen, but what if every gun was banned and removed and it worked (theoretically, because I may be a fat, hairy little giggly guy living with my mommy, but I'm not dumb enough to think a gun ban would ever work).
I understand there are times where guns save lives. I've seen and heard all the pictures and phrases about how close a rapist is to your daughter and if you would trust a condom, a cell phone dialing 911, or a gun to protect her the most. While I can see your point on those three, there are also deeper rooted issues with our society, which I can touch on, but which argument would be best suited to a different or place. We go too lightly on violent sexual predators, so with our system now, i can say - yes, a gun would be a better judgment than letting him go to court after the fact and watch him get off on some bullsh*t piece of evidence.
Our culture is not anywhere near an honour based system like that of some of the Asian countries. I know someone else brought up China's attacks recently, but I spent some time in South Korea where the police and military have the only firearms, and the system is a very honour-based system. They are taught to be, not an individual, but a member of a whole, moving forward for the greater good of Country and People. Some places (not many anymore) still sell Alcohol in vending machines - the countries age to drink is 18, and if you're younger than that, it's an honour call. they just don't buy it. I'm sure some do, but it still was very cool to talk to my students about it. They were ten-fifteen, and understood it was an adult thing and they would wait til they were adults as well.
While I do think their uniformity and conformity to be a little odd after having been taught to be myself and an individual all my life, it was amazing and heartbreaking to see how their people mourned the VA tech massacre because the assailant was Korean. I was there when it happened, and It seemed to be a blow to their people as a whole, and as a country. I saw a picture of the assailant on a newspaper and said I'd read about it on an American website, but asked a co-worker what it said in the Korean paper. He said he didn't want to know and told me it 'was sad because everyone South Korean represents their flag at all times." I didn't learn much Korean while I was there, so no, I don't know what their crime-rate is. Websites say MOST of their crime is pick-pocketing, purse snatching, assault, hotel room and residential burglary where tourists frequent.
My point was not to make fun or incite anger in the gun community, but as a troll - yes, a troll who has been looking at a few posts for a while, I wanted to see your real reactions to someone who has a, however naive and probably impossible thought and hope for a world without guns and violent crime. But, as America grew up with guns, was won by civilians using guns, and still protects many gun owners' rights, I'm sure me and mine will be forever stuck pissing in the wind and screwing with gun forums.
rscottie wrote:
Close, but Not quite, there RScottie. But in all seriousness and hypothetical thinking, you say that if a VA tech student were to have had a gun, or a collumbine teacher were to have had a gun (because in some states, like Utah, with a permit, even teachers can carry) then the senseless killings would never have taken place.
So, logically thinking, what would happen in a world without guns? People would run through the halls stabbing people? maybe. I know it's not something that will ever happen, but what if every gun was banned and removed and it worked (theoretically, because I may be a fat, hairy little giggly guy living with my mommy, but I'm not dumb enough to think a gun ban would ever work).
I understand there are times where guns save lives. I've seen and heard all the pictures and phrases about how close a rapist is to your daughter and if you would trust a condom, a cell phone dialing 911, or a gun to protect her the most. While I can see your point on those three, there are also deeper rooted issues with our society, which I can touch on, but which argument would be best suited to a different or place. We go too lightly on violent sexual predators, so with our system now, i can say - yes, a gun would be a better judgment than letting him go to court after the fact and watch him get off on some bullsh*t piece of evidence.
Our culture is not anywhere near an honour based system like that of some of the Asian countries. I know someone else brought up China's attacks recently, but I spent some time in South Korea where the police and military have the only firearms, and the system is a very honour-based system. They are taught to be, not an individual, but a member of a whole, moving forward for the greater good of Country and People. Some places (not many anymore) still sell Alcohol in vending machines - the countries age to drink is 18, and if you're younger than that, it's an honour call. they just don't buy it. I'm sure some do, but it still was very cool to talk to my students about it. They were ten-fifteen, and understood it was an adult thing and they would wait til they were adults as well.
While I do think their uniformity and conformity to be a little odd after having been taught to be myself and an individual all my life, it was amazing and heartbreaking to see how their people mourned the VA tech massacre because the assailant was Korean. I was there when it happened, and It seemed to be a blow to their people as a whole, and as a country. I saw a picture of the assailant on a newspaper and said I'd read about it on an American website, but asked a co-worker what it said in the Korean paper. He said he didn't want to know and told me it 'was sad because everyone South Korean represents their flag at all times." I didn't learn much Korean while I was there, so no, I don't know what their crime-rate is. Websites say MOST of their crime is pick-pocketing, purse snatching, assault, hotel room and residential burglary where tourists frequent.
My point was not to make fun or incite anger in the gun community, but as a troll - yes, a troll who has been looking at a few posts for a while, I wanted to see your real reactions to someone who has a, however naive and probably impossible thought and hope for a world without guns and violent crime. But, as America grew up with guns, was won by civilians using guns, and still protects many gun owners' rights, I'm sure me and mine will be forever stuck pissing in the wind and screwing with gun forums.
