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    I have been lurking for a few months and decided to join in on the fun after a great OC yesterday while outgarage selling. Older gentleman asks what caliber I was carrying and thanked me for my service (USMC hat on). He thought I needed a permit and I told him the this a right to open carry state. I offered him the Wa. St. pamphlet and bid him farewell. This is a great site and full of good info.
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    USMC1911 wrote:
    I have been lurking for a few months and decided to join in on the fun after a great OC yesterday while outgarage selling. Older gentleman asks what caliber I was carrying and thanked me for my service (USMC hat on). He thought I needed a permit and I told him the this a right to open carry state. I offered him the Wa. St. pamphlet and bid him farewell. This is a great site and full of good info.
    Welcome and thank you.

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    Welcome aboard. Hope to meet you.

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    Welcome here Marine.



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    Welcome. Glad to have you with us. You're right, the people on this forum are, for the most part, great people with lots of info to share.

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    69Charger wrote:
    Welcome here Marine. Or was it just the hat?

    Semper Fi my brother ! 77-88 here, Thanks for the welcome.
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    Yea I guess that 1911USMC thing kind of tipped me off.
    Sorry bout dat hat thang.
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    Many people go through life wondering if they have made a difference, United States Marines do not have that problem ! Pres. R. Regan 1985
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    Welcome Aboard ! - Glad to have Ya.
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    USMC1911 wrote:
    Many people go through life wondering if they have made a difference, United States Marines do not have that problem ! Pres. R. Regan 1985
    Welcome and I thank you, and all that have served, for my freedom.
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    USMC1911 wrote:
    Many people go through life wondering if they have made a difference, United States Marines do not have that problem ! Pres. R. Regan 1985
    QFT and welcome to the board!

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    Did Regan serve in the Marines? Otherwise I'm not sure why he singled them out, as oppose to the entire service.

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    WHAT?

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    Did Regan serve in the Marines? Otherwise I'm not sure why he singled them out, as oppose to the entire service.

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    Aaron1124 wrote:
    Did Regan serve in the Marines? Otherwise I'm not sure why he singled them out, as oppose to the entire service.
    Sir, No disrespect applied nor intended. Pres. R. Regan was enamored with "His" Marines ! He used us on several occasion's. That is why United States Marines are call, "The Presidents Own". He needs no authority from congress to use us in any way he deems necessary.

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    USMC1911 wrote:
    Aaron1124 wrote:
    Did Regan serve in the Marines? Otherwise I'm not sure why he singled them out, as oppose to the entire service.
    Sir, No disrespect applied nor intended. Pres. R. Regan was enamored with "His" Marines ! He used us on several occasion's. That is why United States Marines are call, "The Presidents Own". He needs no authority from congress to use us in any way he deems necessary.

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    That's interesting. No disrespect taken. I learned something new.

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    Again no disrespect, but the rest of us bled just as red and died just as dead in war...


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    Tomas wrote:
    Again no disrespect, but the rest of us bled just as red and died just as dead in war...

    That's why I made my original statement.

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    Tomas wrote:
    Again no disrespect, but the rest of us bled just as red and died just as dead in war...

    Sir I totaly agree with your statement, I was just pointing out that Pres. Regan "liked" his Marines, and in fact, thatwas a statement he made in 1985.

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    Speaking of no disrespect and since this has taken a military tone, and I do not expect to get an answer from anyone who is still inlisted, just because, but I have a question. Since I was rejected from being able to serve this wonderful country because of my eyesight, I can not answer this.

    I was just wondering as I think back to the Katrina times when guns were being confiscated. If we were to have a major couple state catastrophy where our military was called in to keep order and cerfews were set and ordered to confiscate guns from citizens, "would you as an enlisted soldier, do it"? If you do than you go against our constitution, if you dont then you are in violation of a direct order and subject to a courtmarshell. I know this is a crappy question, but it is a real life scenerio, we saw if happen, and could very well happen again.

    On the other side, What if you were protecting your home, and soldiers came and wanted to confiscate your weapons? What would you do? Everyone who was told to give up their weapons, did so. No one fired a shot in defending their right to be armed at all times.

    Again I hope I did not disrespect anyone, I was just wondering?
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    amzbrady wrote:
    I was just wondering as I think back to the Katrina times when guns were being confiscated. If we were to have a major couple state catastrophy where our military was called in to keep order and cerfews were set and ordered to confiscate guns from citizens, "would you as an enlisted soldier, do it"? If you do than you go against our constitution, if you dont then you are in violation of a direct order and subject to a courtmarshell. I know this is a crappy question, but it is a real life scenerio, we saw if happen, and could very well happen again.

    Military people are not required to follow unlawful orders. In fact, following orders is not a defense if the order was not lawful.
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    j2l3 wrote:
    amzbrady wrote:
    I was just wondering as I think back to the Katrina times when guns were being confiscated. If we were to have a major couple state catastrophy where our military was called in to keep order and cerfews were set and ordered to confiscate guns from citizens, "would you as an enlisted soldier, do it"? If you do than you go against our constitution, if you dont then you are in violation of a direct order and subject to a courtmarshell. I know this is a crappy question, but it is a real life scenerio, we saw if happen, and could very well happen again.

    Military people are not required to follow unlawful orders. In fact, following orders is not a defense if the order was not lawful.
    If the Government were to ever get that corrupt to begin with, then I wouldn't hold it past them to give unlawful orders

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    The millitary isappointed to up hold the Constitution. Military personal can not follow orders they know arecontradictory to the Constitution. I know when I took my oath it said

    I, (name), do solemnly swearthat I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

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    amzbrady wrote:
    If we were to have a major couple state catastrophy where our military was called in to keep order and cerfews were set and ordered to confiscate guns from citizens, would you as an enlisted soldier, do it?
    Interesting topic drift, AMZ. In that vein, the following opinion piece caught my eye a few days ago:

    http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opini...r_spreads.html

    It was particularly notable given that I'd recently read a comment somewhere (Sipsey Street, maybe?) observing that these days most Army officers and many enlisted don't even have an understanding of the Constitution, or their oath, that many thought they were swearing fidelity to the President rather than to the Constitution, and that WTP shouldn't count on them to be on our side if the Government gets overly oppressive. (I wish I'd grabbed a ref for that post at the time!)

    Comments? (assuming anyone else wants to drag this thread even further afield from OC...)

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    Its called THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
    As an example. (Hypothetical situation)
    In the civilian community, one would not run directly into a gun fight. This does not make seance.
    In my Marine Corp, If the order comes down our chain of command to do this, you do it. With fire in your eyes. (part of the reason the Marines are called DEVIL DOGS.)
    PROVEN past tactical success had rationalized this action. (if this is what was deemed necessary by the higher ranks in the chain)
    ALL service personnel are bound by the UCMJ. (Uniform Code Of Military Justice)
    The Military's Law.
    Like it or not, The President is our Commander and Chief. The top of the Chain.
    Disobeying a command will subject you to the penalties, you agreed to, when you JOINED the service.( UCMJ )

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    69Charger wrote:
    Its called THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
    As an example. (Hypothetical situation)
    In the civilian community, one would not run directly into a gun fight. This does not make seance.
    In my Marine Corp, If the order comes down our chain of command to do this, you do it. With fire in your eyes. (part of the reason the Marines are called DEVIL DOGS.)
    PROVEN past tactical success had rationalized this action. (if this is what was deemed necessary by the higher ranks in the chain)
    ALL service personnel are bound by the UCMJ. (Uniformed Code Of Military Justice)
    The Military's Law.
    Like it or not, The President is our Commander and Chief. The top of the Chain.
    Disobeying a command will subject you to the penalties, you agreed to, when you JOINED the service.( UCMJ )

    Dave
    Semper Fi. (always faithful)

    The president is comander in chief but he is not above the Constitution. As a duty to keep your oath you agreed on you must not follow orders if it is not within the guidlines of the constitution.


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