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    Will be going to the Downtown Hoedown On Friday May 14, 2010. We will be meeting up in front of the main entrance off Jefferson at 7pm. As alcohol is served inside the fenced area, a CPL is required to carry.

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    Not sure how it is this year, but a few years ago I went and there was signs at the entrance that said NO WEAPONS.

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    It's at a public park. Attempts to meet with the Chief of Police and Mayor have gone unanswered. This is why we are going there.

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    It will be recorded for all to see ..

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    hrmmmm...even though I don't much care for country music, I may go with you guys.

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    dougwg wrote:


    hrmmmm...even though I don't much care for country music, I may go with you guys.

    Yeah, that's not cool.

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    sevenplusone wrote:
    dougwg wrote:


    hrmmmm...even though I don't much care for country music, I may go with you guys.

    Yeah, that's not cool.
    Plus illegel, if its in the open with CPL!!! (alcohol)

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    I can't make it Friday. If you happen to move it to Saturday then I will join in.

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    Saturday is the Warren Picnic

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    Good luck guys, wish I could go. You all know as well as I do that they're going to try and enforce 'special rules' for this, and though you said you'd be recording, we all know how anti-OC DPD is, so just expect confrontation. Have your lawyers on speed dial, etc. Hope to see you all at the Warren picnic

    Btw, it might be a good idea to have ready paperwork with relevant laws, etc. specific to this event highlighted and in your pockets. A little bit of planning ahead could save a lot of trouble in the future.
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    I am happy to see this happening sprinkler, I wish I could join you guys!
    United we STAND!

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    Question for all involved. I know Hart plaza is leased by a production company for the hoedown, the city does not put it on or produce it or have anything to do with it other than renting the facility and placing extra PD for the crowd. So wouldn't that put it under pvt property rights since they are technically renting the facility?
    I wish yall good luck but don't wanna see anyone get hemmed up.

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    firespec35 wrote:
    Question for all involved. I know Hart plaza is leased by a production company for the hoedown, the city does not put it on or produce it or have anything to do with it other than renting the facility and placing extra PD for the crowd. So wouldn't that put it under pvt property rights since they are technically renting the facility?
    I wish yall good luck but don't wanna see anyone get hemmed up.
    I am wondering this as well... if they lease it then it could very well fall under private property rules...


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    as much as i LOVE country...i doubt i can do friday,the durand event is saturday...
    not a lawyer, dont take anything i say as legal advice.


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    Can you rent a public place? Is this even possible? This may be a question for the Legal Beagle?
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    Wait for Sprinklerguy to respond. He knows exactly how it works. From what I see it's public property and they only have a permit to sell alcohol in the specific fenced off portion of Heart Plaza. It's a public park, not private property.

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    i am considering going, but perhaps i will choose not to carry a pistol and will bring a video camera instead.

    I can't spend the weekend in jail, i have to work on saturday.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (who will watch the watchmen?)

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    The problem you will run into is the entire park is fenced off with pvt security searching bags ect. And why couldn't you rent a park with enough money you essentially do that when you rent a pavillion. I hope I'm wrong but I would definately hit up a lawyer with it first.

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    lapeer20m wrote:
    i am considering going, but perhaps i will choose not to carry a pistol and will bring a video camera instead.*

    I can't spend the weekend in jail, i have to work on saturday.*
    Trust me I'm not going to jail either. I will leave before it gets that bad. I was going to be bringing my video camera.

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    firespec35 wrote:
    The problem you will run into is the entire park is fenced off with pvt security searching bags ect. And why couldn't you rent a park with enough money you essentially do that when you rent a pavillion. I hope I'm wrong but I would definately hit up a lawyer with it first.
    Where your statement is wrong is this company is not "Renting the park" they only have a permit to sell alcohol. I already explained that in the post above.

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    That's not exactly true.I'm pretty sure All the vendors rent space from the production company,they have to rent the stages, pay for all the generators and hookups for electrical, pay for security,and all the miscellaneous things that go with running a festival. It goes way beyond the temp liquor license they have to have.
    I'm telling you, I hope I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure this is a bad tree to bark up.

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    mikestilly wrote:
    lapeer20m wrote:
    i am considering going, but perhaps i will choose not to carry a pistol and will bring a video camera instead.

    I can't spend the weekend in jail, i have to work on saturday.
    Trust me I'm not going to jail either. I will leave before it gets that bad. I was going to be bringing my video camera.
    You better not. We got a Warren picnic to attend the next day. :celebrate
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    So i can cc there right? even if it says no weapons?
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    Good luck getting in.Last year There was security at each entrance wanding people

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    They have a written agreement that the park(Hart Plaza) is to remain open and accessible to the public and that all local and state laws are to be followed.

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