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    I will be at the Starbucks inCrestwood open carrying this Sat,May 15thfrom 6pm till 7pm. Anyone wanting to join me, just say hi or come down to see if I get tackled by the local LEO's. Feel free to stop in.Crestwood is OC legal to the state's definition( ie a CCW is not required). I do not claim responsibility for any heart-ship joining me may or may not cause you. This is not an official gathering just a notice of my where abouts at that time on that day. If you are wanting to come but need to read the city ordinances for yourself andwould like to see how to look up the codes I will post such info if requested.


    Starbucks address is: 9590 Watson Road, Crestwood, MO‚Äé 63126

    It is located across the street from Crestwood Plaza


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    I'll be there. Hopefully it'll be a little warmer this weekend.

    If not, I'll just sit next to Doc....

    The reflected rays of the sun should keep me toasty.





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    sweet. one closer to home. lol.


    may the weather be warmer this time.

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    I'll be there.
    I will not agree with you all the time, deal with it. CASE CLOSED.

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    Keep in mind that St. Louis County has a county ordinance covering open carry. To the letter of the law you'll need written permission from the property owner/manager to be legal.

    I know you guys have done these meetups a couple times, but just want to make sure everything has been looked at. The online county code is down right now, but check the wording of the county law.

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    Justin wrote:
    Keep in mind that St. Louis County has a county ordinance covering open carry. To the letter of the law you'll need written permission from the property owner/manager to be legal.

    The online county code is down right now, but check the county law before diving in.
    i would assume this would be for the parts of st louis county that do not have their own municipalities.

    secondly, seeing as to how this business' company policy is open / welcomes open carry i don't believe this is an issue.

    also to throw it out there...all the other areas in "st louis county" that we have been where there have been an active law enforcement presence...there have been no problems.

    correct doc?

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    I retract my statement, what I've always seen quoted is 712.040(9).

    No one ever mentions 712.030 which limits the scope purely to unincorporated St. Louis County.

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    sohighlyunlikely wrote:
    I will be at the Starbucks inCrestwood open carrying this Sat,May 15thfrom 6pm till 7pm. Anyone wanting to join me, just say hi or come down to see if I get tackled by the local LEO's.

    It should be noted that Crestwood Sagittariuses are also anti-OC, so beware of them as well.

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    Odds are I'll be there, not carrying for decent holster reasons (only a pouch IWB), but I'll play the voyeur part if need be. And **** the crestwood sagitarians, if they were real sagitarians (as per astrological descriptions) they'd believe everyone has the right to live their life as they see fit to any risk they deem necessary.

    I'll be in a black VW, not OCing, but carrying a video camera.

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    So I am thinking Saturday there will be about 6 people OC at the Crestwood Starbucks?

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    Planning for next weekend, where ever that may be! This weekend I have the kiddos all to myself (wife works 12 hour shifts).

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    I'm coming, prolly bringing my brother who would also be packin (openly, of course).

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    bump bump!

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    good time. glad i came out again and ran into everyone. was nice to be inside this time...

    props to doc for nailing my ethnicity right on the head. :shock:

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    Good times were had by all(other than maybe the shift manager). A new St Louis county record was set at 8 armed legally armed OC citizens. No Leo encounters were had and Crestwood's OC awayness was defiantly raised a bit.

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    sohighlyunlikely wrote:
    Good times were had by all(other than maybe the shift manager).
    Shift Manager: "....er......um......excuse me, are you police officers?"

    Me: "No Ma'am."

    Shift Manager: "Well I thought Missouri was a concealed carry state."

    Me: (I didn't want to get into particulars) "No Ma'am. We're all perfectly legal."

    Shift Manager: "Well, some of our employees are uncomfortable with the guns. (fidgets and shifts eyes)

    I look behind the counter and everyone else is happy as a lark. The ONLY person who seems nervous is THE MANAGER HERSELF.

    Which is confirmed whenI walk up to the counter and order another coffee. As I am paying, the manager is grabbing her coat and purse and making for the door. SoI say:

    Me: "Have a nice evening."

    Shift Manager: (screaming) "WHAT DID YOU JUSTSAY???"

    Me: "Er...Have a nice evening?"

    Shift Manager: "Oh."

    She then bolts out the door AND WALKS AROUND THE PARKING LOT FOR THE NEXT HALF HOUR! (strange?!?)

    Yeah. Her employees are uncomfortable alright. They are so uncomfortable smiling and talking to each other.

    I finally left.

    Did she ever come back in, or is she still skulking around the parking lot?

    Evidently she wasn't too uncomfortable to walk up and have a conversation about the legality of our presence.

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    She was nice tous - Maybe it was your "bawdy" language.



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    Superlite- As soon as we went outside and it looked like things were breaking up she made a quiet dash back into the store.

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    Did anyone mention to her the Starbuck's OC policy?

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    Bug Eater wrote:
    Did anyone mention to her the Starbucks OC policy?
    I believe I mention something to here in regards to the fact that she should contact her supervisor on this issue. At which point she stormed off.

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    After the incident with the manager, I figured a LEO encounter would be inevitable.

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    Mo wrote:
    After the incident with the manager, I figured a LEO encounter would be inevitable.
    i think once it was recommended she check with her supervisor...starbucks company policy regarding firearms and local / state laws probably came to mind.

    i don't think she was happy with it at all considering she stormed out and wandered the parking lot and sat in her car for probably a good 30-40mins...

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    sohighlyunlikely wrote:
    Good times were had by all(other than maybe the shift manager).
    Shift Manager: "....er......um......excuse me, are you police officers?"

    Me: "No Ma'am."

    Shift Manager: "Well I thought Missouri was a concealed carry state."

    Me: (I didn't want to get into particulars) "No Ma'am. We're all perfectly legal."

    Shift Manager: "Well, some of our employees are uncomfortable with the guns. (fidgets and shifts eyes)



    I look behind the counter and everyone else is happy as a lark. The ONLY person who seems nervous is THE MANAGER HERSELF.

    Which is confirmed when¬*I walk up to the counter and order another coffee. As I am paying, the manager is grabbing her coat and purse and making for the door. So¬*I say:

    Me: "Have a nice evening."

    Shift Manager: (screaming) "WHAT DID YOU JUST¬*SAY???"

    Me: "Er...Have a nice evening?"

    Shift Manager: "Oh."

    She then bolts out the door AND WALKS AROUND THE PARKING LOT FOR THE NEXT HALF HOUR! (strange?!?)

    Yeah. Her employees are uncomfortable alright. They are so uncomfortable smiling and talking to each other.

    I finally left.

    Did she ever come back in, or is she still skulking around the parking lot?

    Evidently she wasn't too uncomfortable to walk up and have a conversation about the legality of our presence.
    Hello all-

    I've lurked on this forum a few times and am just here to set the record straight on this encounter.

    I'm an active shooter, and have posessed my CCW for a few years.

    The shift manager you speak of Is my fiancé (red hair). She and I spoke about your visit that evening.

    These are the facts: The partners (employees) on the floor did repeatedly ask her to speak with you to find out who you were, she wasn't concerned, although she wasn't sure MO is an OC state.

    She later took her meal break, spending it as she always does, smoking outside and sitting in her car. It's not strange for someone to smoke outside, when smoking is prohibited inside, nor for someone who works in a retail environment to wish for a reprieve from customers and employees during their meal break.
    She felt that your group might misinterpret her actions as discomfort. She noted that many in your party tipped generously, and all were courteous.
    I would appreciate it if y'all would drop the speculation about others' behavior and motives.

    I am very familiar with this company's policy on CCW, and OC, as I also work for the company (although I cannot speak for them).

    Your group is of course welcome back anytime, but please don't talk poorly about the people who welcome and serve you.

    Thanks,

    John

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    CoffeeGuy:

    I did not have any problems with your fiance whatsoever, I was merely remarking on her behavior which I found odd. It's very possible that this is simply because of the coincidence of the timing in which she took her break added to the fact I was unaware she smoked. (A reason I personally overlook because I, myself, do not. Therefore, I often forget that people often go outside to do so. Hence: my assumption that she went outside and was "lurking" because of our group, when she was simply kicking back and relaxing to enjoya smoke.

    Patronizing this particular Starbucks was an enjoyable experience, the establishment was well kept, and the service was friendly. If the other employees were uncomfotable, they hid it well.

    I kindly ask that you take a small moment to look at the situation from another perspective:

    If we had been a group of African Americans peacefully enjoying coffee in this business, how would a manager walking up and saying, "Excuse me, but you are making some of our employees uncomfortable." have gone over?

    How about informing a group of Jews? Muslims? or any other group you can imagine, that their legal and peaceful presence was making people uncomfortable?

    Why is it acceptabletoinformthose of us who take the responsibility to exercise our civil right to carry a firearm? What makes it acceptable to treat those of us who express this civil right any different than those who enjoy any other civil right?

    I am not "blaming" your fiance'. I understand she was merely asking about our legality for the benefit of her employees. Maybe the next time we stop in, we'll get a friendly "hello", and there will be less apprehension now that the entire facility knows that we're all nicey-nicey.

    I yearn for the day when this will be a "given", rather than having to explain my perfectly acceptable actions to everyone. I'm not bitter or angry at having to do so. After all, I do openly carry a firearm.Ifullyexpect folks to ask questions or have to educatethose less informed. A simple, "Are you a police officer" or "Is that legal?" would suffice.

    Telling me that I make folks uncomfotableisn't my problem any more than it would be an African American's or a Jew's. If folks have a problem with my normal, lawful, and peacefulbehavior, maybe they should be the ones to adjust their thinking.

    Tell your fiance' I have no hard feelings as the error in interpreting her behavior was mine since I was the one who assumed it was the result of our presence. My mistake. The one thing I absolutely did not mistake was being informed that my presence was "making other employees uncomfortable".

    Now that I'm sure they have been informed that folks legally carrying guns in holsters are welcome there, I will look forward to patronizing this Starbucks again sometime.

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    superlite...

    asian people make me uncomfortable....:shock::what::celebrate:


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