mspgunner
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We have so many 2nd amendment groups it weaken the effort. Shawn wrote:
We have so many 2nd amendment groups it weaken the effort. Shawn wrote:
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Detained and disarmed while OC (Video)
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Broondog
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sohighlyunlikely wrote:
i thought so. i picked up one of the TTC's when they hit the market in force a few years back. i've since sold it but it wasn't a bad gun. and the 7.62x25 round is a hot little round.
though chrome says "hey look at me. i have a gun!". not my personal choice but hey, who am i?
sohighlyunlikely wrote:
i thought so. i picked up one of the TTC's when they hit the market in force a few years back. i've since sold it but it wasn't a bad gun. and the 7.62x25 round is a hot little round.
though chrome says "hey look at me. i have a gun!". not my personal choice but hey, who am i?
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Doc...wow how did you stay so calm??
I can't take it when cops ask for ID when you've done nothing wrong.
I also can't stand when cops interject their opinions into stuff, you aren't on the farm...duh...you're in "downtown" St. Charles. You can't open carry here, you'll scare somebody. This is a progressive area full of diverse cultures and ideas and... oh wait, nevermind I was thinking of some place else.
What is it with everyone's obsession with CCW?? CCW---you must pay money to exercise a right...derf.
It was nice of the guy to apologize. But still if you weren't super polite with them violating your rights then they would have pissed all over you.
Doc...wow how did you stay so calm??
I can't take it when cops ask for ID when you've done nothing wrong.
I also can't stand when cops interject their opinions into stuff, you aren't on the farm...duh...you're in "downtown" St. Charles. You can't open carry here, you'll scare somebody. This is a progressive area full of diverse cultures and ideas and... oh wait, nevermind I was thinking of some place else.
What is it with everyone's obsession with CCW?? CCW---you must pay money to exercise a right...derf.
It was nice of the guy to apologize. But still if you weren't super polite with them violating your rights then they would have pissed all over you.
sohighlyunlikely
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I received my apology
Doc
I received my apology
Doc
zekester
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Oh please elaborate....
Oh please elaborate....
sohighlyunlikely
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Iacceptedmy apology by phone. I was told that OC was discussed in the locker room of the PD and now that it has been brought to light, that an legal OC citizen does have a good chance of deterring crime through the presents of an exposed firearm. I was told that the cities attorney was brought in and they feel if the state says it is legal they have no desire to forbid it in their jurisdiction. St Charles current crime rate is at an all time high and my presents OC is being viewed as a possible deterrent to crime.
If you need more details than that you will have to buy me a drink at Starbucks and talk to me there.
Doc
Iacceptedmy apology by phone. I was told that OC was discussed in the locker room of the PD and now that it has been brought to light, that an legal OC citizen does have a good chance of deterring crime through the presents of an exposed firearm. I was told that the cities attorney was brought in and they feel if the state says it is legal they have no desire to forbid it in their jurisdiction. St Charles current crime rate is at an all time high and my presents OC is being viewed as a possible deterrent to crime.
If you need more details than that you will have to buy me a drink at Starbucks and talk to me there.
Doc
YuppieDog
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WTF-:shock:-You are happy about being talked about in a "locker-room" and now we have to buy you a coffee to get info from you. :shock:
WTF-:shock:-You are happy about being talked about in a "locker-room" and now we have to buy you a coffee to get info from you. :shock:
JoeSparky
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YuppieDog wrote:
YuppieDog wrote:
Cops impressed enough about him to talk about it in the locker room..... There is simply NOTHING THAT I CAN SAY IN A FAMILY FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT ABOUT THIS!:what::what::what::what::what::what::what::what::what:
nrepuyan
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I NEED AN ADULT!!!!! :shock::shock::shock::what::what::what::uhoh::uhoh::uhoh:
I NEED AN ADULT!!!!! :shock::shock::shock::what::what::what::uhoh::uhoh::uhoh:
zekester
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Sorry.....But I would still sue
Sorry.....But I would still sue
Festus_Hagen
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zekester wrote:
That's part of America's problems right now. everyone wants to ....
zekester wrote:
That's part of America's problems right now. everyone wants to ....
Festus_Hagen
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sohighlyunlikely wrote:
sohighlyunlikely wrote:
That's awsome, glad they got it straight, and sounds like you came out the good guy here. Kudos man!I received my apology
Doc
zekester
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Festus_Hagen wrote:
I just can't see, where it would be permissible under the Constitution, where this is legal under any stretch of the imagination.
Festus, if you feel that we should give the authorities a break, then I must ask a question. When does that end?
We as citizens are not given a break because of "ignorance of the law", but we should give this privilege to the authorities that are supposed to enforce these samelaws?
"And a reasonable officer is presumed to know clearly established law,
see, e.g., Harlow, 457 U.S. at 818-9"
It is one thing to sue because you spilled hot coffe in you lap, but this is about our rights as Citizens of the U.S.A.
The minute we let "them" decide what our rights are, is the end of the Constitution as we know it.
Whats next? Can't wear an American Flag t-shirt at school during Cinco-Demyo?....Oh wait, that just happened in California.
Again, just my opinion. ( And as you can see, I am pretty opinionated...lol)
Z
Festus_Hagen wrote:
I just can't see, where it would be permissible under the Constitution, where this is legal under any stretch of the imagination.
Festus, if you feel that we should give the authorities a break, then I must ask a question. When does that end?
We as citizens are not given a break because of "ignorance of the law", but we should give this privilege to the authorities that are supposed to enforce these samelaws?
"And a reasonable officer is presumed to know clearly established law,
see, e.g., Harlow, 457 U.S. at 818-9"
It is one thing to sue because you spilled hot coffe in you lap, but this is about our rights as Citizens of the U.S.A.
The minute we let "them" decide what our rights are, is the end of the Constitution as we know it.
Whats next? Can't wear an American Flag t-shirt at school during Cinco-Demyo?....Oh wait, that just happened in California.
Again, just my opinion. ( And as you can see, I am pretty opinionated...lol)
Z
Carnivore
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Festus, if you feel that we should give the authorities a break, then I must ask a question. When does that end?
There will be time in court, if this officer/dept. continues to challenge citizens rights, The way the two armed citizens handled themselves might be the begining of a wonderful relationship between armed citizens and LEO in St Charles, Lets just hide and watch. I only CC through my daily travels, because my minutes are precious when I'm in transit. I hope Missouri has the opportunity to full preemptionOC againsoon.
Festus, if you feel that we should give the authorities a break, then I must ask a question. When does that end?
There will be time in court, if this officer/dept. continues to challenge citizens rights, The way the two armed citizens handled themselves might be the begining of a wonderful relationship between armed citizens and LEO in St Charles, Lets just hide and watch. I only CC through my daily travels, because my minutes are precious when I'm in transit. I hope Missouri has the opportunity to full preemptionOC againsoon.
Festus_Hagen
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zekester wrote:
I've been given a break by the law a few times when I was speeding, went through a yellow light, etc. when I was respectful to the officer. Hell, when I was 18 I was let off for speeding while drunk with no license, so yea, I HAVE been given a break. These cops were not throwing these guys on the ground and cuffing them, they detained them for a few minutes to get stuff squared away. Should they have known the law better? Sure. I think the OP and his buddies did a fine, respectful job of showing the officers where they were wrong, and the officers returned that respect. I didn't think the one would actually apologize, but I am impressed that he did, as I'm sure the OP is also. You don't get that respect from alot of officers really.
So yea, I wouldn't get "sue happy" on this encounter. Some day, you may NEED to get sue happy.
zekester wrote:
I've been given a break by the law a few times when I was speeding, went through a yellow light, etc. when I was respectful to the officer. Hell, when I was 18 I was let off for speeding while drunk with no license, so yea, I HAVE been given a break. These cops were not throwing these guys on the ground and cuffing them, they detained them for a few minutes to get stuff squared away. Should they have known the law better? Sure. I think the OP and his buddies did a fine, respectful job of showing the officers where they were wrong, and the officers returned that respect. I didn't think the one would actually apologize, but I am impressed that he did, as I'm sure the OP is also. You don't get that respect from alot of officers really.
So yea, I wouldn't get "sue happy" on this encounter. Some day, you may NEED to get sue happy.
Festus_Hagen
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Carnivore wrote:
When they disrespect me to the degree I feel it's warranted.
Carnivore wrote:
When they disrespect me to the degree I feel it's warranted.
zekester
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So I guess we should give all LEO's a break because they do not even know the law in which they are to enforce?
I too have been given a few breaks, but not one....and I repeat...not one has ever violated my civil rights.
We can agree to disagree, but this was a clear violation in which the officer should have known better.
To lay low or to hide and accept this, is exactly what they want. They, the LEO's would not want anything else for this to go away. Why you ask?
They "now" know it was wrong.
It still not excuse them for the blatant violation of Doc's civil rights.
Again, I see were you all are coming from with the OC thing and for that I am all for it. But as far as the violation, I just can't see that there is any excuse for it.
When or where is it stated that it is up to the Citizen ofthe US to explain the laws of the Country to the people that should know those laws.
The only way in which to inform the "masses" and those hired by US, is through a court case which will bring to light the abuses of power granted to the LEO.....Granted...in this case, the officer was civil and admitted that he was wrong, but the "fact" and I will reiterate "FACT" is that he was wrong.
Ihave no animosity toward this officer, and none against the St Charles Police Department, as I know many officers, but the "FACT" still remains that this was clearly against the law.
Doc can and will do what he wants to do, and I respect that more than you may ever know. I just know that I would pursue this for a fewreasons.
First, this was indeed a violation the the 4th Amendment.....this cannot be acceptable inany case.
Second, it would give light to the exemption which is needed to pass in the state.
Third, perhaps Joyce vs. Cape would go away.
As always this is only my opinion, and I respect all that may agree or disagree, besides I love a great debate.
Z
So I guess we should give all LEO's a break because they do not even know the law in which they are to enforce?
I too have been given a few breaks, but not one....and I repeat...not one has ever violated my civil rights.
We can agree to disagree, but this was a clear violation in which the officer should have known better.
To lay low or to hide and accept this, is exactly what they want. They, the LEO's would not want anything else for this to go away. Why you ask?
They "now" know it was wrong.
It still not excuse them for the blatant violation of Doc's civil rights.
Again, I see were you all are coming from with the OC thing and for that I am all for it. But as far as the violation, I just can't see that there is any excuse for it.
When or where is it stated that it is up to the Citizen ofthe US to explain the laws of the Country to the people that should know those laws.
The only way in which to inform the "masses" and those hired by US, is through a court case which will bring to light the abuses of power granted to the LEO.....Granted...in this case, the officer was civil and admitted that he was wrong, but the "fact" and I will reiterate "FACT" is that he was wrong.
Ihave no animosity toward this officer, and none against the St Charles Police Department, as I know many officers, but the "FACT" still remains that this was clearly against the law.
Doc can and will do what he wants to do, and I respect that more than you may ever know. I just know that I would pursue this for a fewreasons.
First, this was indeed a violation the the 4th Amendment.....this cannot be acceptable inany case.
Second, it would give light to the exemption which is needed to pass in the state.
Third, perhaps Joyce vs. Cape would go away.
As always this is only my opinion, and I respect all that may agree or disagree, besides I love a great debate.
Z
Festus_Hagen
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I shall pick and choose when I want "the man" in my life.
You do the same.
I shall pick and choose when I want "the man" in my life.
You do the same.
zekester
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The "man" is in your life whether you accept it or not.
Every encounter with a citizen effects how the "man" will deal with you.
The "man" is in your life whether you accept it or not.
Every encounter with a citizen effects how the "man" will deal with you.