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    Neal Peirce / Syndicated columnist

    World's mayors united in appeal to curb spread of firearms
    International law could be used to curb the torrent of U.S.-made pistols, rifles and assault weapons now fueling the bloody Mexican drug wars and being trafficked globally, writes columnist Neal Peirce. The idea surfaced among mayors from around the world who gathered recently in Chicago.

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    CHICAGO — Could international law be used to curb the torrent of U.S.-made pistols, rifles and assault weapons now fueling the bloody Mexican drug wars and being trafficked globally?

    The idea surfaced among 100 mayors and other municipal officials from around the world gathered here for a two-day Richard J. Daley Global Cities Forum (named after the current Mayor Richard M. Daley's legendary father).

    The message he'd heard from the international mayors, Daley said after the meetings, was: "We're tired of your guns, America. ... Why are you shipping your guns to our country? Why are you marketing guns today ... not with hunting, but guns that are supposed to kill people? ... Why are you doing this to Africa, the Caribbean, Mexico, the rest of the world?"

    The "extremely violent" Mexican drug gangs, Mexico City Mayor Marcelo Ebrard Casaubon reported, are getting 85 percent of their weaponry from transfers across the U.S. border.

    Ebrard joined Daley, Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter, Columbus Mayor Michael Coleman and others in pressing for a resolution, approved by the mayors, to "seek redress against the gun industry through the courts of the world — including local, state and federal courts, and international courts — for damages caused to our countries, cities and communities by global trafficking of illegal guns."

    Daley, a long-standing leader among U.S. mayors in seeking tough gun regulations and holding gunmakers responsible for the deadly impact of their products, faces the grim reality that the U.S. Supreme Court may soon strike down Chicago's own ban on handguns and assault weapons — even as Chicago's gun-driven murder rate has spiked.

    But Philadelphia's Nutter is equally fervid on the issue. "People are being killed every day with illegal weapons," he said, suggesting "I love the Second Amendment. But I have a First Amendment right not to be shot." No other U.S. industry, Nutter added, has the legal protections against the impact of its products that the gun industry enjoys — protections that culminated with Congress passing the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (heavily lobbied by the National Rifle Association) in 2005.

    "Politicians are so deadly afraid of the NRA that they can't make the right decisions for their constituents," Nutter alleged. So an appeal to the World Court, he acknowledged, might be a longshot but "worth trying."

    The gun issue is all the more vital, the mayors' resolution noted, because of the increase in youth violence worldwide and the role of illegal guns in strengthening international criminal organizations that also deal in "other contraband, including humans."

    The mayors' outspokenness on guns may be part of a new global pattern. "Both national governments and journalists should get used to mayors having strong positions and expressing them," said Mayor Bertrand Delanoe of Paris. Mostly, when world mayors have met in the past they have passed mildly progressive policy resolutions and focused more on exchanging accounts and ideas about processes and "best practices" being tried in their own cities.

    But the right moment for mayors and city governments to rise as global policy players may have arrived. The world's population has turned majority urban. National governments, faced with fiscal and administrative crises, are pressed to decentralize powers. Mayors around the world are in increasing personal contact with each other. Rising numbers of city delegations, business and public, are matching ideas and strategies on worldwide visits.

    As opposed to nations' political wars, cities' agendas tend to be overwhelmingly practical, not ideological — one recalls the legendary New York Mayor Fiorello La Guardia's observation: "There is no Democratic or Republican way of cleaning the streets."

    Could we have a worldwide urban voice taking that practical approach about restraining guns, or acting on carbon issues before cities are either flooded or victimized by extreme heat?

    Let's hope.

    Neal Peirce's column appears regularly on editorial pages of The Times. His e-mail address is nrp@citistates.com

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    After the floods and extreme heat releases all the zombies they are going to wish they hadn't taken away all of the guns.
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    End the war on drugs and there will be a considerable decrease in gang violence. I promise.

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    olypendrew wrote:
    End the war on drugs and there will be a considerable decrease in gang violence. I promise.
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    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
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    Oops. Double tap.

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    olypendrew wrote:
    End the war on drugs and there will be a considerable decrease in gang violence. I promise.
    +1

    ... And I hope I will never see the day our military and vets let the gov't try to break our Constitutional agreement and take our weapons. That would be a red day in history.

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    Aryk45XD wrote:

    ... And I hope I will never see the day our military and vets let the gov't try to break our Constitutional agreement and take our weapons. That would be a red day in history.
    I would tend to agree with this in theory. But I thinkthere are ways to subdue a population of people. Take away the basics and you have a bunch of animals. Take away hope and you have a bunch of animals waiting for a fence to make them feel safe. Provide them directions. And then they all walk to the camp. Of course this is just my opinion. Cheers

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    Maybe they act like a bunch of animals because they are forced to live in a fence like animals?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Regarding the flow of guns from the US to Mexico:

    The GAO (US Government Accountability Office) is supposed to be non-partisan but even the Department of Homeland Security believes that the GAO report was misleading. From DHS:

    "Department of Homeland Security officials question the statistic involving the origination of weapons as currently presented by GOA. DHS officials believe that the 87 percent statistic is misleading as the reference should include the number of weapons that could not be traced (i.e., out of approximately 30,000 weapons seized in Mexico, approximately 4,000 could be traced and 87 percent of those - 3,480 - originated in the United States.)"

    So between 2004 and 2008 3,480 guns came from the US and over 26,000 came from elsewhere but banning guns in the US would solve the violence problem in Mexico? Clearly there is an agenda here that has nothing to do with violence in Mexico.






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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    Maybe they act like a bunch of animals because they are forced to live in a fence like animals?
    Exactly. Good point. We have defense mechanisms and they are trying to break them down. Domesticated. Its really sad to see the work they do. Its pure evil. Cheers

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    nathan wrote:
    Regarding the flow of guns from the US to Mexico:

    The GAO (US Government Accountability Office) is supposed to be non-partisan but even the Department of Homeland Security believes that the GAO report was misleading. From DHS:

    "Department of Homeland Security officials question the statistic involving the origination of weapons as currently presented by GOA. DHS officials believe that the 87 percent statistic is misleading as the reference should include the number of weapons that could not be traced (i.e., out of approximately 30,000 weapons seized in Mexico, approximately 4,000 could be traced and 87 percent of those - 3,480 - originated in the United States.)"

    So between 2004 and 2008 3,480 guns came from the US and over 26,000 came from elsewhere but banning guns in the US would solve the violence problem in Mexico? Clearly there is an agenda here that has nothing to do with violence in Mexico.




    +1

    I saw this discussed and they really make that 87% number stick out. But as you showed, it's really not that bad.

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    So, really its 87% of the total guns seized that could NOT BE TRACED, to ANY country.

    The United States was able toclaim 87% of traceableweapons, with the remainding 13% being traced back to other countries.

    That means that 88% of guns seized in Mexico are NOT TRACEABLE TO THE UNITED STATES, but that the US can track guns that did come from them at an enormously better rate than the rest of the world.

    That's how the numbers relate to REALITY.

    Sounds like they should be thanking us.

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    I'd say that's pretty good. At least they may be able to find the root of reason why they made it there from the US. They will never have a clue to ALL the others. It sucks to take all the responsibilty of blame for a very contribution.

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