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    I just got a Bass Pro Shop Spanish Fort, AL flyer in the mail. They are advertising a free "It's the law" seminar. "A complete review of local laws and ordinances. Get the facts about transporting and carrying your firearm." Friday, may 14 @ 7pm, Saturday & Sunday may 15 & 16 @ 2pm. You guys think they will tell the public that OC is illegal and to call in a MWAG? :P I'm tempted to show up Friday night OCing and see if they let me in. Free trigger block to the first fifty folks at each seminar. Im curious if the law expert is going to be a LEO.

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    I would definately bet on yes, they will say it is illegal. And yes, it will more than likely be a LEO. I like your idea of OC'ing there, but you may be asking for more of a hassle than you wanna mess with? I am very curious though.

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    Go there OC and let us know what happens. Make sure to take copies of all OC documents with you. I'd be interested in knowing who the "official" is that teaches the session and what their opinion is to OC.
    Check out my home page @ www.alabamaopencarry.com and Carry On!

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    A voice recorder or video wouldn't hurt either.

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    Contact the Bass Pro shop and ask the manager who the speaker is.

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    Mas49.56 wrote:
    I'm tempted to show up Friday night OCing and see if they let me in.
    Carry discreetly and get into the meeting smoothly, good luck!

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    Do you think they are doing it at the one in Leeds? I'll have to check it out in the morning.

    We could attend them all, but not, like, as a demonstration or anything.
    There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away, mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting. I've done the math enough to know the dangers of our second guessing. Doomed to crumble, unless we grow and strengthen our communication. -Tool, "Schism"

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    Where is this place?

    If it's not too far away I'll be there! I OC everywhere I go so it's no big deal for me to show up OCing. You get me the physical address so I can mapquest it and It it's not that far, I'll be there!

    -Tim


    EDIT: I like Mike's idea. show up discreetly and see what's going on. We may need to get some inside info on this. Who's with me?

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    Tim, I'll definitely by you lunch if you come down... but sorry man, Spanish Fort is Mobile area! I believe that's a bit of a hike for you.

    I'm going to try to get over there if I can though, haven't decided whether to OC or CC yet... definitely have to print out some extra literature for that one...

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    I just got word about this going on at BPS in leeds AL , I will be there with my dad, I was going to open carry but dad doesn't want me to

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    I'm going to try and make the 7pm one tonight, wife permiting. If I go i'll be wearing a green t-shirt that says "Infidel" on it. I'm CCing, I don't want to be accused of "Demonstrating" if I ask a question.

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    That sucks. I can't go that far right now. Take a tape recorder or a note pad and get some of the vital info. We need to know if lies are being spread.

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    Just got back home. I'm too tired for a long post, so I'll post more about it tomorrow. All I will say now is you guys are fighting an uphill battle. The deputy was the training officer for Baldwin county. Things he taught the class amazed me. It's against AL law to possess a short barreled rifle, shotgun, or silencer( wasn't that changed?). Open Carry is a "gray area", why do it, you will scare 90 year old ladies and they will call the cops on you. (actually used a 90 year old lady in the class to get his point across to me)It's better to just cc like I do off duty. No firearms signs have the power under 52 for them to arrest you on the spot, no trespass needed!! No carrying at "public gatherings" Like protests(correct) and mardi gras???? Never heard that one before.

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    There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away, mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting. I've done the math enough to know the dangers of our second guessing. Doomed to crumble, unless we grow and strengthen our communication. -Tool, "Schism"

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    The public Demonstration law would apply to any public event. He seems to be correct there, but the rest of that is an outrage. I can't really say I'm shocked but I'm still irritated about it.

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    Well... I just got back from talking to said police training officer.

    I didn't even bother staying for the seminar... I had heard enough after our 30 minute conversation. He pulled out the 'scaring 90 year old ladies' thing, which of course has no bearing on the conversation of the legality of open carry. When I walked up to the scene, he was talking with someone else and started saying how "Open carry is a gray area because there is no case law..." at which point I immediately pulled out two copies of the tri-fold and gave one to the cop and one to the other guy standing there.

    To his credit, he actually read through it, quickly. And then he started a whole line of argument that I had not encountered to date. He was, of course, open carrying, and he proceeded to put his arm over his weapon and say "Is it concealed now?" He goes on into how there has been no case law defining what is concealed and what is unconcealed. I was kind of dumbfounded at this line of reasoning as any "reasonable person" would not consider his gun to be concealed because his arm swung in front of it. Regardless of course, this really has no bearing on the conversation either since I am a pistol permit carrier and can carry both openly and concealed if I choose.

    The next topic of conversation was my question of what he would actually do if I was open carrying, sitting at the local burger joint eating lunch, minding my own business. He (predictably) stated that he would at least take my gun and run the serial numberto see if I was a felon, etc, etc. I informed him that this would be an illegal seizure, which he hotly denied... I had brought the statute with me, pulled it out and showed him he needed reasonable suspicion that my carry of the firearm was a crime. Here, his words were "Oh I guarantee you I could develop reasonable suspicion sometime during that!"

    This almost set me off, but at this point we were interrupted by the Bass Pro employee who said they had to go set up for the next seminar. He was very polite and pleasant. The cop was not, he refused to even shake my hand actually. And I made it a point to be polite with him the entire time... to no avail.

    I didn't even get to the 'public demonstration' and short barreled rifles and shotguns stuff... Oh well, if someone around here wants to stop by tomorrow they can tackle those. And sorry, I left the voice recorder in the truck because I wasn't expecting to run into him at 1:15 when the seminar was at 2. Kind of a lame interaction... but this guy was kind of a lame LEO so that's what we get.

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    Oh, also: for those of you wondering about the sign at the entrance to Bass Pro Shops, I asked the lady at the front, and she said no that does not apply to legal concealed carry in the store. It does apply to open carry... this was after my conversation and I was not in the mood to go talk to a manager about that.

    Also, HollowPoint, you mentioned that he would be correct about the public demonstration including any public event... why do you say that? If you read the definition of the law it sounds like it's actually limited to events with "communication or expression of views or grievances." Just wanted to hear the input on that.

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    Mas49.56 wrote:
    Just got back home. I'm too tired for a long post, so I'll post more about it tomorrow. All I will say now is you guys are fighting an uphill battle. The deputy was the training officer for Baldwin county. Things he taught the class amazed me. It's against AL law to possess a short barreled rifle, shotgun, or silencer( wasn't that changed?). Open Carry is a "gray area", why do it, you will scare 90 year old ladies and they will call the cops on you. (actually used a 90 year old lady in the class to get his point across to me)It's better to just cc like I do off duty. No firearms signs have the power under 52 for them to arrest you on the spot, no trespass needed!! No carrying at "public gatherings" Like protests(correct) and mardi gras???? Never heard that one before.
    Sounds like we need to blast Baldwin Countywith emails showing case law and the current changes that they either are not aware of or refuse to learn.

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    Hollowpoint38 wrote:
    The public Demonstration law would apply to any public event. He seems to be correct there, but the rest of that is an outrage. I can't really say I'm shocked but I'm still irritated about it.
    Demonstration is quite clearly defined and does not include any public event.

    (1) DEMONSTRATION. Demonstrating, picketing, speechmaking or marching, holding of vigils and all other like forms of conduct which involve the communication or expression of views or grievances engaged in by one or more persons, the conduct of which has the effect, intent or propensity to draw a crowd or onlookers. Such term shall not include casual use of property by visitors or tourists which does not have an intent or propensity to attract a crowd or onlookers.

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    eye95 wrote:
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    The public Demonstration law would apply to any public event. He seems to be correct there, but the rest of that is an outrage. I can't really say I'm shocked but I'm still irritated about it.
    Demonstration is quite clearly defined and does not include any public event.

    (1) DEMONSTRATION. Demonstrating, picketing, speechmaking or marching, holding of vigils and all other like forms of conduct which involve the communication or expression of views or grievances engaged in by one or more persons, the conduct of which has the effect, intent or propensity to draw a crowd or onlookers. Such term shall not include casual use of property by visitors or tourists which does not have an intent or propensity to attract a crowd or onlookers.
    Mardi Gras would draw onlookers and a crowd. I'm a little confused here.

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    Hollowpoint38 wrote:
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    The public Demonstration law would apply to any public event. He seems to be correct there, but the rest of that is an outrage. I can't really say I'm shocked but I'm still irritated about it.
    Demonstration is quite clearly defined and does not include any public event.

    (1) DEMONSTRATION. Demonstrating, picketing, speechmaking or marching, holding of vigils and all other like forms of conduct which involve the communication or expression of views or grievances engaged in by one or more persons, the conduct of which has the effect, intent or propensity to draw a crowd or onlookers. Such term shall not include casual use of property by visitors or tourists which does not have an intent or propensity to attract a crowd or onlookers.
    Mardi Gras would draw onlookers and a crowd. I'm a little confused here.
    Check the bolded part.

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    Right, eye95's point is how I read it as well. The "draw a crowd" phrase is merely describing the earlier clause which has to be present for a 'public demonstration', that is, the "communication or expression of views or grievances."

    Unless you're trying to say that mardi gras is "one or more persons expressing their grief that they are not drunk enough" .... which I wouldn't put it past some of this LE we got down here to try and push that point.

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    But didn't officer friendly just state a gun on your side frightens little old ladies?
    How would women and children running for their lives 'Draw a Crowd", disperse
    a crowd maybe but not draw one.

    Glad I missed it, I would have had to make the statement "Wow, where did it go!,
    It disapeared faster than a box of donuts at shift change." I just can't figure out why
    every leo I meet wants to put me over the hood of the squad car. Of course the
    dropped soap and night stick in their pocket lines could never get used if they don't.
    I will have to get his name, so when asked to conceal I can put my arm over the
    holster and be legally complying by Alabama standards.
    Always a plus to have our men in blue ready to testify on our behalf.

    Hate to defend the blisfully ignorant, but the short barrel expires on July 5th,
    so during his class he was correct. But that the law was signed before his
    misinformation campaign he should be raked over the coals for it anyways.




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    eye95 wrote:
    Hollowpoint38 wrote:
    eye95 wrote:
    Hollowpoint38 wrote:
    The public Demonstration law would apply to any public event. He seems to be correct there, but the rest of that is an outrage. I can't really say I'm shocked but I'm still irritated about it.
    Demonstration is quite clearly defined and does not include any public event.

    (1) DEMONSTRATION. Demonstrating, picketing, speechmaking or marching, holding of vigils and all other like forms of conduct which involve the communication or expression of views or grievances engaged in by one or more persons, the conduct of which has the effect, intent or propensity to draw a crowd or onlookers. Such term shall not include casual use of property by visitors or tourists which does not have an intent or propensity to attract a crowd or onlookers.
    Mardi Gras would draw onlookers and a crowd. I'm a little confused here.
    Check the bolded part.
    Well, if Mardi Gras is a demonstration, I suppose it's a demonstration of body parts that want to be free, or some such nonsense. ;-)
    It takes a village to raise an idiot.

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    "Well, if Mardi Gras is a demonstration, I suppose it's a demonstration of body parts that want to be free, or some such nonsense. ;-)"

    Hahaha


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