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    Well a couple of friends and I decided to hike Bright Angel Trail at the Grand Canyon down to the river and back in a day. I was OCing my friend's "trail gun" a S&W .38 spl 6 shooter with hollow point and snake shot. No one paid me any mind at all. I did get a compliment including a "thank you for ecersising (spelling) your rights" from the manager of a gas station about 20 miles south of the park. It was a wonderful trip. I love this state!!

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    FYI:

    Open carry in a National Park is still illegal -- CC is now allowed.

    You were fortunate.

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    Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV wrote:
    FYI:

    Open carry in a National Park is still illegal -- CC is now allowed.

    You were fortunate.
    WRONG.

    National Parks now follow state law. It is legal to OC in AZ, so it is legal to OC in GCNP.



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    Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV wrote:
    FYI:

    Open carry in a National Park is still illegal -- CC is now allowed.

    You were fortunate.
    I checked with the rangers prior to entering the park about carry. They said "carry within the allowances of state law -- only negligent discharges are illegal (no sport no hunting)"

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    Open carry is legal in any area of National Park in Arizona EXCEPT buildings such as ranger stations or gift shops. I am unsure if one would get prosecuted for OCing into a standalone bathroom "owned by the Federal government."

    But I went out on February 22nd to Coronado memorial and OC'ed, no one blinked an eye.

    Thanks for the report acmariner99! I'm going in a couple of weeks and will probably conceal but good to know all the same!
    My location says I am from Sierra Vista, AZ which is where I live now but I actually lived in MO for 26 years! So please stop telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when I post in the Missouri forum!

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    acmariner99 wrote:
    Well a couple of friends and I decided to hike Bright Angel Trail at the Grand Canyon down to the river and back in a day. I was OCing my friend's "trail gun" a S&W .38 spl 6 shooter with hollow point and snake shot. No one paid me any mind at all. I did get a compliment including a "thank you for ecersising (spelling) your rights" from the manager of a gas station about 20 miles south of the park. It was a wonderful trip. I love this state!!

    Was that the gas station at the north east corner of 64 and 180? (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&...p;t=h&z=18)

    I carried in there (concealed) after backpacking the canyon (Grandview trail) a few weeks back. The woman behind the counter (seen her there before, not sure if she might be the manager?) has always been friendly and seems like the type to be pro gun =) I'll have to OC next time I'm up there too. I OC'ed on the trail, but after that hike I was definitely in more of a CC mode mentally.)

    OC was pretty uneventful then as well on the trail itself. Not one word at the trailhead (although I could feel a few stares.) One guy asked me if I was a ranger on the way down, and at the spring near the bottom another group asked me if I was expecting to see a lot of bears. I told them I sure hoped not since I was only carrying a .40 =)

    Dunno about you, but I really expected a LOT more of a reaction from people there just due to the types of people that go there, out of town tourists, etc. It was a pleasant surprise to find it just as easy to OC there as at the local Walmart.


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    AZkopper wrote:
    Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV wrote:
    FYI:

    Open carry in a National Park is still illegal -- CC is now allowed.

    You were fortunate.
    WRONG.

    National Parks now follow state law. It is legal to OC in AZ, so it is legal to OC in GCNP.

    I've O.C.'d in Saguaro N.P. East several times so far. The Park manager is my next-door neighbor.

    Edit: He was promoted/transferred from... The Grand Canyon. My life rocks. :celebrate

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    Interesting. The last time I tried OC in the Grand Canyon, I was threatened with arrest. Granted, that was a number of years ago.

    It seems I was misinformed -- thanks for the correction.

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    Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV wrote:
    Interesting. The last time I tried OC in the Grand Canyon, I was threatened with arrest. Granted, that was a number of years ago.

    It seems I was misinformed -- thanks for the correction.
    The law allowing carry based on state law took effect I think around February of this year, so yeah, it would've been a federal offense to do so any number of years ago =) (OC and CC both included.)

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    Thoreau wrote:
    acmariner99 wrote:
    Well a couple of friends and I decided to hike Bright Angel Trail at the Grand Canyon down to the river and back in a day. I was OCing my friend's "trail gun" a S&W .38 spl 6 shooter with hollow point and snake shot. No one paid me any mind at all. I did get a compliment including a "thank you for ecersising (spelling) your rights" from the manager of a gas station about 20 miles south of the park. It was a wonderful trip. I love this state!!

    Was that the gas station at the north east corner of 64 and 180?* (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&...04801&t=h&z=18)

    I carried in there (concealed) after backpacking the canyon (Grandview trail) a few weeks back.* The woman behind the counter (seen her there before, not sure if she might be the manager?) has always been friendly and seems like the type to be pro gun =)* I'll have to OC next time I'm up there too.* I OC'ed on the trail, but after that hike I was definitely in more of a CC mode mentally.)

    OC was pretty uneventful then as well on the trail itself.* Not one word at the trailhead (although I could feel a few stares.)* One guy asked me if I was a ranger on the way down, and at the spring near the bottom another group asked me if I was expecting to see a lot of bears.* I told them I sure hoped not since I was only carrying a .40 =)

    Dunno about you, but I really expected a LOT more of a reaction from people there just due to the types of people that go there, out of town tourists, etc.* It was a pleasant surprise to find it just as easy to OC there as at the local Walmart.
    Sorry for the delay, I have been on the road the last couple of days. Yea, that was the gas station near US 180. The manager thanked me for carrying and henceforth had to buy something from them (even though it was a little pricey). So I thanked them for letting me carry by getting a nice GCNP wind breaker.

    Now in the Evergreen State of Washington for the summer. Carrying up here should be interesting as I can't even leave my gun in the car when I am at work. Its a different world up here but OC is perfectly legal without a permit so I am going to keep it up!

    Carry On!!

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    mFonz77 wrote:
    Open carry is legal in any area of National Park in Arizona EXCEPT buildings such as ranger stations or gift shops. I am unsure if one would get prosecuted for OCing into a standalone bathroom "owned by the Federal government."

    But I went out on February 22nd to Coronado memorial and OC'ed, no one blinked an eye.

    Thanks for the report acmariner99! I'm going in a couple of weeks and will probably conceal but good to know all the same!
    Bathrooms are fine. Just don't go in any building marked with a little no firearms sign.

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    Mas49.56 wrote:
    mFonz77 wrote:
    Open carry is legal in any area of National Park in Arizona EXCEPT buildings such as ranger stations or gift shops. I am unsure if one would get prosecuted for OCing into a standalone bathroom "owned by the Federal government."

    But I went out on February 22nd to Coronado memorial and OC'ed, no one blinked an eye.

    Thanks for the report acmariner99! I'm going in a couple of weeks and will probably conceal but good to know all the same!
    Bathrooms are fine. Just don't go in any building marked with a little no firearms sign.
    Emphasis on little -- those signs ARE tiny but they are there

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    I decided to hit the indoor gun range in Tucson on Friday, so I loaded up my Polish P-64 9X18 (Great trigger action with Wolff spring kit, plus incredible accuracy) and my Beretta Tomcat .32ACP (Horrible trigger resulting in vague accuracy) strapped on my P-6 loaded with one in the chamber OC and headed out the door.

    First stop was McDonalds on Swan & Ft Lowell for some quick eats. Once inside I noticed place was packed with school kids plus one monitor and several adult patrons. Kids couldn't help but see the P-6, but NO comments, no panic 911 calls, no screams for a lock down. No ZERO Tolerance outside of the school zone, I guess. It must be a picture of a gun that will hurt a child. /sarcasm/

    Then off to Murphy's gun shop for some Makarov ammo.

    At indoor range I did well with the P-64 but not so good with the Beretta.

    Next stop was Sweet Tomatoes pasta & salad buffet on Broadway for some healthy food. Place was packed with snowbirds and usual liberal minded patrons who will eat, then hog the table for several hours. Again no comments or problems with people seeing a gun in public.

    I love Arizona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GWbiker View Post
    I decided to hit the indoor gun range in Tucson on Friday, so I loaded up my Polish P-64 9X18 (Great trigger action with Wolff spring kit, plus incredible accuracy) and my Beretta Tomcat .32ACP (Horrible trigger resulting in vague accuracy) strapped on my P-6 loaded with one in the chamber OC and headed out the door.

    First stop was McDonalds on Swan & Ft Lowell for some quick eats. Once inside I noticed place was packed with school kids plus one monitor and several adult patrons. Kids couldn't help but see the P-6, but NO comments, no panic 911 calls, no screams for a lock down. No ZERO Tolerance outside of the school zone, I guess. It must be a picture of a gun that will hurt a child. /sarcasm/

    Then off to Murphy's gun shop for some Makarov ammo.

    At indoor range I did well with the P-64 but not so good with the Beretta.

    Next stop was Sweet Tomatoes pasta & salad buffet on Broadway for some healthy food. Place was packed with snowbirds and usual liberal minded patrons who will eat, then hog the table for several hours. Again no comments or problems with people seeing a gun in public.

    I love Arizona.
    That's been my experience here in Az as well, mostly just curiosity about what I'm carrying.
    Our pistols could be cousins, I have a Vz-82 in 9mm Makarov.
    It causes a little curiosity because it's not a common gun.

    I love AZ too!

    Carry on!

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    The other day I just finished filling my pickem up truck with go juice when I notest some people next to me tring to take my picture, thay drove off and parked about 100 ft. away, the driver got out and walked up to me and said he had all his family here from Italy, thay seen me and asked him if that was a real gun with real bullets I was carrying and he told them it was. Thay were so excited to see this that thay wanted there picture taken with me, now remember as I have wrote on other threads I do dress like a cowboy. There were 3 adult woman, 2 adult men and 2 children, thay all crowded around me for there pictures. I have to say tho I did a no no, thay have never seen a gun up close so I did brandish my firearm so thay could get a better picture, I never relinquished my firearm, but instead held it in front of the two children that were standing in front of me. Thay said thru there relative that lived here that thay loved the U.S., and said thay could not even own a gun in Italy. Thay thought it was great we had the freedoms we had to own, carry and even protect ourselves with a firearm. All and all it was a good day, thay were not afraid, did not call 911 or run for the hills, and just maby them two young lads will grow up and get some form of gun rights passed for the people of Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickc1962 View Post
    The other day I just finished filling my pickem up truck with go juice when I notest some people next to me tring to take my picture, thay drove off and parked about 100 ft. away, the driver got out and walked up to me and said he had all his family here from Italy, thay seen me and asked him if that was a real gun with real bullets I was carrying and he told them it was. Thay were so excited to see this that thay wanted there picture taken with me, now remember as I have wrote on other threads I do dress like a cowboy. There were 3 adult woman, 2 adult men and 2 children, thay all crowded around me for there pictures. I have to say tho I did a no no, thay have never seen a gun up close so I did brandish my firearm so thay could get a better picture, I never relinquished my firearm, but instead held it in front of the two children that were standing in front of me. Thay said thru there relative that lived here that thay loved the U.S., and said thay could not even own a gun in Italy. Thay thought it was great we had the freedoms we had to own, carry and even protect ourselves with a firearm. All and all it was a good day, thay were not afraid, did not call 911 or run for the hills, and just maby them two young lads will grow up and get some form of gun rights passed for the people of Italy.
    This post is wrong on so many different levels..
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    Quote Originally Posted by sFe View Post
    This post is wrong on so many different levels..
    Pleese tell me why?, I do not know how things are done in N.C. but in Az. we have reeenactments, carry everyware openly, even in banks, we ride horses, were cowboy hats and boots and try to educate any way we can. I do not apologize for my actions, the sangle action ruger I carry or the way I dress, I eat, sleep, dress, work, think and live the cowboy way of life. I am sorry if this offends you, if I did anything wrong at would be brandishing, but if you and I were in the parking lot of a gun show and you wanted to see my firearm you would not complan if I showed it to you. The fact of the matter is I made not only there day but probably there vacation, and that with there memories and pictures of an old Az. cowboy was well worth it.

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    Thumbs up

    I don't see anything wrong either, sounds like they had a fun time and got to learn a little about Arizona and the 2nd Amendment. I personally wouldn't have taken it out of the holster, but nonetheless sounds like you made their vacation a little more exciting and educational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sFe View Post
    This post is wrong on so many different levels..
    How's that? I've done the same with German 'n French tourists in my 1880's rig or daily... which isn't that much different among the cowboys here. This isn't 'back east'. This is America the way it was all over... and should be again.

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    Holding a loaded gun in front of kids that have absolutely no clue about gun safety, in public nonetheless, is far from educational IMO. I'm glad it turned out okay, but it could have went south very fast. Since my other issue has been beaten to death on this forum I'll just quote someone:

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    I am not bringing this up to single anyone out, or to start trouble. This forum is read by people from all walks of life. People who wholeheartedly support 2A read this forum. People who are Anti-2A read this. People who are "on the fence" read this. The Antis paint us as knuckle dragging Neanderthals already. Why give them more ammo by not checking our spelling when we type? Some of these posts I read sound like they're being written by a 3 year old. That button in the top right that says "ABC" is a spell checker. BTW, my spelling is not so special either. That's WHY I use the spell checker. Sonora Rebel is a special case. He does it intentionally to have an old west sound to what he writes. I can respect that. However, some of you really make the rest of us look dumb. Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sFe View Post
    Holding a loaded gun in front of kids that have absolutely no clue about gun safety, in public nonetheless, is far from educational IMO. I'm glad it turned out okay, but it could have went south very fast. Since my other issue has been beaten to death on this forum I'll just quote someone:
    I am so sorry that people on the east coast fell this way about your counterparts out here in the wide open west, you are right though about one thing, thay don`t know anything about gun safety and thats why I held on to my firearm instead of letting them hold it, my question to you is, HOW MANY POSITIVE GUN ENCOUNTERS DID YOU HAVE WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC THIS WEEK ? Now that said, ime noot edgebacated lik youall eastcoost cetyslekers r i wenst too thee publik skool an my nokles drage da grund sory bout dat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickc1962 View Post
    I am so sorry that people on the east coast fell this way about your counterparts out here in the wide open west, you are right though about one thing, thay don`t know anything about gun safety and thats why I held on to my firearm instead of letting them hold it, my question to you is, HOW MANY POSITIVE GUN ENCOUNTERS DID YOU HAVE WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC THIS WEEK ? Now that said, ime noot edgebacated lik youall eastcoost cetyslekers r i wenst too thee publik skool an my nokles drage da grund sory bout dat.
    Why are you so on the defensive about you're location? This has absolutely nothing to do with that. I haven't been questioned about carrying so I would say they are all positive/neutral, this area is very gun friendly. City slicker huh, Laurinburg's population is a whopping 15k and I'm outside of the city limits so I must be a suburbanite then? It takes all of two seconds to use a spell checker, I don't see what education has to do with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sFe View Post
    Why are you so on the defensive about you're location? This has absolutely nothing to do with that. I haven't been questioned about carrying so I would say they are all positive/neutral, this area is very gun friendly. City slicker huh, Laurinburg's population is a whopping 15k and I'm outside of the city limits so I must be a suburbanite then? It takes all of two seconds to use a spell checker, I don't see what education has to do with that.
    First off I apologize if I offended you, second, I am not defensive about were I live, fact of the matter, I love all the mountain states and will never move from them, now N.C. is not even close to Az. on gun rights, but your better then alot of east coast states, we out here pride ourselves on our old west history and alot of us live here becouse of it, most tourist from around the world that come to Az. as other mountain states for the cowboy and old west history, and I for one will do everthing I can to not only teach it, but the importance of the 2nd Amendment why I am at it. Im glad you live in the country and not a metropolis, I also live in the country, my last house was in the middle of a 120,000 acre ranch and most of the places i`ve lived ( except here in Havasu ) was at least 35 mi. from the closest store, but I digress. As for spell check, I only started using computers about two years ago and don`t know a lot about them, but I am learning, I took off a toolbar and added another toolbar insted, when I did this I lost my spell check and don`t know how to get it back, so you see I do all of my spelling by memory and sometimes it`s wrong. Now as far as the Italian family, I try to educate when ever I can, how ever I can, in the safest way I can, and I think not only did I do that, but I left them with a lasting impression of the old west and Az. Again I ask what have you done in a positive light to spread the 2nd Amendment to the non gun owning public this week?
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    Yesterday, while at my favorite grub house, I was chowing down when this customer that I have seen a couple of times there, but have never spoke to, came up to me to talk about my holster, he really liked the way it looked and said he has a old west stile rig he bought south of the border, but it was not nearly as nice as mine. I told him I had a part ( friend ) in Wy that builds reproduction cowboy leather work, and he made it for me. After him and his wife finished eating and was leaving I said goodbye to him, and said I hope to see him open carrying some day, he pulled back his shirt to show me his concealed firearm, a 38 I think, I said, " great to see you carrying , but hope you will start to open carry." He said he would like to but not brave enough to, I ensured him with time he would be. I think with time he will become an ally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sFe View Post
    Why are you so on the defensive about you're location? This has absolutely nothing to do with that. I haven't been questioned about carrying so I would say they are all positive/neutral, this area is very gun friendly. City slicker huh, Laurinburg's population is a whopping 15k and I'm outside of the city limits so I must be a suburbanite then? It takes all of two seconds to use a spell checker, I don't see what education has to do with that.
    This is essentially a cultural divide. There's a big difference between 'country' and 'cowboy'... altho the line seems blurred at times. The east is NOT the southwest... altho many people relocate here and bring all of that baggage with 'em. (Politics, attitude and dress) You also don't have the affinity of the 'old west' with tourists... many of which are foreigners. What some of us wear daily is not all that far removed from the mid 1800's. It's the nature of the desert... if you live off-pavement. They're curious... and will often ask about certain things... guns especially 'cause they've never seen regular people carry guns... much less an SAA .45.

    Heh... I just caught this... "Sonora Rebel is a special case. He does it intentionally to have an old west sound to what he writes." Uh, no... I write the way I think/speak, (I sound sort'a like Sam Elliott) but I do intentionally abbreviate. 'Comes w/bein' a cowboy poet too I s'pose. None of my former English teachers ever sold a word that they ever wrote or recorded. I have. 'Reckon that makes me a professional writer then... don't it?
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