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    There are a lot of CC'ers out there, and we are a better society for it. There are a fair number of OC'ers out there too, which is great. but which is better? i have an arguement that i haven't seen on this forum yet.

    Most law abiding gun carriers will tell you that they hope they never have to use their weapon. they dont want to have to shoot someone.

    my arguement is this, how many CC'ers do use their weapons compared to OC'ers? How many times has an OC'er actually cleared a visible weapon from the holster and shot someone. very few. why is that? maybe its because nobody f***'s with the OC'ers because their weapon is clearly visible. CC'ers talk about the tactical advantage of not having their gun visible, but all this seems to accomplish is to make them look like an easy target, and consequently, they end up using their weapons more often.



    anyway, those are just some thoughts.

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    Never once in my life. Never have I heard of or seen video or read an article of. Not once. The only videos, articles, etc Have had the pistol concealed before using.

    Hell that Coney Island or Rams Horn or whatever.. that one down south that the robbers decided not to rob.. That was a great story and even funnier that the robbers admitted to the cops they never robbed it because of the OCers.

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    I guess it depends on circumstance, but the ONLY time I've ever even come close to drawing my sidearm is when I was open carrying on a hike and encountered an unrestrained dog on trail that was growling at me. Hand was on the gun, finger indexed on the release of the Serpa, and then the owner came over the hill on his bike and got his dog under control before I actually had to draw.

    On the flip side, I carry concealed about as often as I OC, and while concealed, I've never even had an occasion to sweep away a cover garment to get to the grip of my gun.

    The idea the OP presents is definitely unique (or at least uncommon) but I personally don't believe that the mode of carry affects frequency of drawing/shooting in that way.

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    Thoreau wrote:
    The idea the OP presents is definitely unique (or at least uncommon) but I personally don't believe that the mode of carry affects frequency of drawing/shooting in that way.
    but if that were true, statistically we should see more self defense shootings involving OC'ers. we really don't see any.

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    bomber wrote:
    Thoreau wrote:
    The idea the OP presents is definitely unique (or at least uncommon) but I personally don't believe that the mode of carry affects frequency of drawing/shooting in that way.
    but if that were true, statistically we should see more self defense shootings involving OC'ers. we really don't see any.
    I agree and use this argument with many who insist C/C is the only way to go. That the mere lack of statistics prove the point that OC is simply a deterrant.

    Many C/Cers are looking for a chance to use their weapon. That is the key to the "tactical" advantage agument. Hey as long as you carry. I would just rather not have to use my weapon.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    bomber wrote:
    Thoreau wrote:
    The idea the OP presents is definitely unique (or at least uncommon) but I personally don't believe that the mode of carry affects frequency of drawing/shooting in that way.
    but if that were true, statistically we should see more self defense shootings involving OC'ers. we really don't see any.
    I agree and use this argument with many who insist C/C is the only way to go. That the mere lack of statistics prove the point that OC is simply a deterrant.

    Many C/Cers are looking for a chance to use their weapon. That is the key to the "tactical" advantage agument. Hey as long as you carry. I would just rather not have to use my weapon.
    You might want to rephrase that. You make CC'ers sound like they're looking for trouble. I know that whenever I am carrying, CC or OC, I always think about situations where I MIGHT have to use my weapon, but I'm not out looking for a CHANCE to shoot someone.

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    I know a couple of people who DO go out looking for trouble, and seek out a reason to justifiable shoot someone. They're always looking for ways around it, so they can do it and get away with it. Whether it be walking their dog at dark, while carrying concealed in a high crime neighborhood, or hanging out in a specific public place, while carrying concealed, waiting for something to happen. Hell, even my neighbor has told me on numerous occasions that he "can't wait for someone to try and break in my house so I can shoot the !*&# out of him"

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    Ian wrote:
    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    bomber wrote:
    Thoreau wrote:
    The idea the OP presents is definitely unique (or at least uncommon) but I personally don't believe that the mode of carry affects frequency of drawing/shooting in that way.
    but if that were true, statistically we should see more self defense shootings involving OC'ers. we really don't see any.
    I agree and use this argument with many who insist C/C is the only way to go. That the mere lack of statistics prove the point that OC is simply a deterrant.

    Many C/Cers are looking for a chance to use their weapon. That is the key to the "tactical" advantage agument. Hey as long as you carry. I would just rather not have to use my weapon.
    You might want to rephrase that. You make CC'ers sound like they're looking for trouble. I know that whenever I am carrying, CC or OC, I always think about situations where I MIGHT have to use my weapon, but I'm not out looking for a CHANCE to shoot someone.
    words I have to CC everyonce in awhile too but it is not by choice. I didn't say all though just said many, and unfortunately I have had personal conversations with many that are waiting for the chance to use it.

    When I told one guy at the mall I normally OC, he said " I don't cuz I would love to see someone try and harass me".

    Too me if someone tries some criminal activity on a gun owner C/C or O/C they get what they get. I just would personally prefer to use it more as a deterant. And have seen that it works that way.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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