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    here is a link to listen, just scroll down

    http://www.assembly.ca.gov/committee...efaulttext.asp

    also here is the number to the appropriatations committee clerks office

    916-319-2081

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    how do i listen to it?

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    there is a link that says listen to the hearing right in the center. look for the ab bill 1934

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    Code:
    The Law of the Land (2nd Amendment) guarantees our RIGHT to KEEP and BARE ARMS.
    Never forget, that this Country was taken from the British, by using guns.
    We maintain and keep this Land of ours, by the use of guns.
    All honest citizens of this Land, should not have to explain to anyone...
    State or Federal...when, where or how...we manage our guns..
    The price for that...was paid....
    Mike Danford
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    oracle6@verizon.net
    
    BILL ANALYSIS                                                                                                                                                                                                    
    
    
    
     AB 1934
     Page  1
    
    Date of Hearing:   May 12, 2010
    
    ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
    Felipe Fuentes, Chair
    
    AB 1934 (Saldana) - As Amended:  April 28, 2010 
    
    Policy Committee:                              Public Safety  
    Vote:        5-2
    
    Urgency:     No                   State Mandated Local Program:  
    Yes    Reimbursable:              No
    
     SUMMARY  
    
    This bill makes it a misdemeanor to carry an exposed and  
    unloaded handgun outside a vehicle in a public place.   
    Specifically, this bill:
    
    1)Makes it a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in  
    county jail and/or a fine of up to $1,000, to carry an exposed  
    and unloaded handgun outside a vehicle on his or her person  
    while in a public place ("open carry"). 
    
    2)Deletes provisions of law that allow a firearm to be carried  
    openly in a belt holster. 
    
    3)Creates a lengthy series of exceptions to the prohibition on  
    open carry, including peace officers, range shooting, hunters  
    engaged in lawful hunting, incidental transport, etc. 
    
    4)Makes a series of conforming and nonsubstantive changes.  
    
     FISCAL EFFECT 
    
     Unknown, likely minor, nonreimbursable local law enforcement and  
    incarceration costs, offset to a degree by increased fine  
    revenue. 
    
     COMMENTS
     
     1)Rationale.  The author and proponents contend the absence of a  
    prohibition on open carry has created a surge in problematic  
    instances of guns carried in public, alarming people and  
    causing issues for law enforcement. According to the author:
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
     AB 1934
     Page  2
    
    
    "Open carry creates a potentially dangerous situation.  In  
    most cases when a person is openly carrying a firearm, law  
    enforcement is called to the scene.  They may have few details  
    other than that one or more people are present at a location  
    and are armed.  Should the gun-carrying person move in a way  
    that could be construed as threatening, peace officers may  
    feel compelled to respond in a manner that could be lethal and  
    unsafe not only for the gun-carrying individual, but for  
    others nearby as well.
    
    "When responding to calls from concerned citizens, law  
    enforcement agents must determine whether the guns are  
    actually unloaded. In light of the state's current economic  
    crisis, is the practice of openly carrying a handgun in public  
    areas a drain on public safety resources?
    
    "Customers generally worry for their safety when someone  
    carries a firearm into a business.  Thus, many businesses,  
    including Buckhorn Grill, California Pizza Kitchen, and Peet's  
    Coffee & Tea, have recognized this concern and have prohibited  
    customers from openly carrying handguns in their  
    establishments."
    
     2)Current law  specifies that carrying a loaded gun or a  
    concealed gun is generally a misdemeanor, punishable by up to  
    one year in a county jail and/or a fine of up to $1,000. There  
    are circumstances, however, where the penalty may be a wobbler  
    if the offender has a specified prior conviction.  
     
    3)Support  . According to the Legal Community Against Violence,  
    "Over the past year, members of the so-called 'open carry  
    movement' have shocked Californians statewide by holding  
    carrying events in public places like coffee shops,  
    restaurants, and public parks. Open carry advocates seek to  
    normalize the carrying of firearms in public places, and use  
    open carrying to protest what they see as unjust state  
    firearms laws, including California's common-sense  
    restrictions on the issuance of concealed firearms licenses. 
    
    "While member of the open carry movement argue that they are  
    just 'exercising their rights," the open carrying of firearms  
    intimidates the public, wastes law enforcement resources, and  
    creates opportunities for injury and death due to the  
    accidental or intentional use of firearms. This conduct also  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
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    needlessly increases the likelihood that every day  
    interpersonal conflicts will turn into deadly shootouts." 
    
     4)Opposition  . According to the Gun Owners of California  "We  
    believe that a ban on 'open carrying' of unloaded handguns  
    will bring a chilling effect on the constitutional rights of  
    all citizens. Since the Second Amendment includes both the  
    right to keep and bear arms, the government of California is  
    going to have to come to grips as to how bearing will take  
    place. As long as Carry Concealed Weapons Permits (CCWs) are  
    not available to the vast majority of law-abiding citizens in  
    California, the only other option is open carry. 
    
    "The argument that citizens legally expressing their rights  
    causes some to be intimidated or uncomfortable is a vapid  
    excuse for curtailing both the First and Second Amendment  
    rights of any citizen. It may make some people feel  
    uncomfortable or intimidated to hear someone espousing  
    communist or nazi or racist beliefs in the public square, but  
    as long as they are not breaking the law by exercising their  
    hate-filled beliefs into actual subversion of the country,  
    their rights of free speech, no matter how detestable, are  
    protected even if it makes some people uncomfortable. That is  
    freedom!" 
    
    
    
    
    
     Analysis Prepared by  :    Geoff Long / APPR. / (916) 319-2081

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    So please tell me what this means Lori Saldana it's in your law AB 1934.

    It may make some people feel
    uncomfortable or intimidated to hear someone espousing
    communist or nazi or racist beliefs in the public square, but
    as long as they are not breaking the law by exercising their
    hate-filled beliefs into actual subversion of the country,
    their rights of free speech, no matter how detestable, are
    protected even if it makes some people uncomfortable. That is
    freedom!"


    Open carry might make people uncomfortable or intimidated and as long as we are notbreaking the law it is our RIGHT to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS just like our freedom of speech. That is freedom too.



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    SMamp;M 9mm Open Carry wrote:
    So please tell me what this means Lori Saldana it's in your law AB 1934.

    It may make some people feel
    uncomfortable or intimidated to hear someone espousing
    communist or nazi or racist beliefs in the public square, but
    as long as they are not breaking the law by exercising their
    hate-filled beliefs into actual subversion of the country,
    their rights of free speech, no matter how detestable, are
    protected even if it makes some people uncomfortable. That is
    freedom!"


    Open carry might make people uncomfortable or intimidated and as long as we are notbreaking the law it is our RIGHT to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS just like our freedom of speech. That is freedom too.

    There is no need to shout, my glasses work fine.
    A citizen may not be required to offer a ―good and substantial reason-- why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The right‘s existence is all the reason he needs.

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    Hey sorry about that some how letters got big must of move something it happen to me in other postings.

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    The constitution dose not protect the people from feeling intimidated.

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