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LISTEN TO THE HEARING THIS MORNING on AB 1934

resonance

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Code:
The Law of the Land (2nd Amendment) guarantees our RIGHT to KEEP and BARE ARMS.
Never forget, that this Country was taken from the British, by using guns.
We maintain and keep this Land of ours, by the use of guns.
All honest citizens of this Land, should not have to explain to anyone...
State or Federal...when, where or how...we manage our guns..
The price for that...was paid....
Mike Danford
Viet Nam Vet
[email]oracle6@verizon.net[/email]

BILL ANALYSIS                                                                                                                                                                                                    



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Date of Hearing:   May 12, 2010

ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
Felipe Fuentes, Chair

AB 1934 (Saldana) - As Amended:  April 28, 2010 

Policy Committee:                              Public Safety  
Vote:        5-2

Urgency:     No                   State Mandated Local Program:  
Yes    Reimbursable:              No

[u] SUMMARY [/u] 

This bill makes it a misdemeanor to carry an exposed and  
unloaded handgun outside a vehicle in a public place.   
Specifically, this bill:

1)Makes it a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in  
county jail and/or a fine of up to $1,000, to carry an exposed  
and unloaded handgun outside a vehicle on his or her person  
while in a public place ("open carry"). 

2)Deletes provisions of law that allow a firearm to be carried  
openly in a belt holster. 

3)Creates a lengthy series of exceptions to the prohibition on  
open carry, including peace officers, range shooting, hunters  
engaged in lawful hunting, incidental transport, etc. 

4)Makes a series of conforming and nonsubstantive changes.  

[u] FISCAL EFFECT 

[/u] Unknown, likely minor, nonreimbursable local law enforcement and  
incarceration costs, offset to a degree by increased fine  
revenue. 

[u] COMMENTS
[/u] 
[u] 1)Rationale. [/u] The author and proponents contend the absence of a  
prohibition on open carry has created a surge in problematic  
instances of guns carried in public, alarming people and  
causing issues for law enforcement. According to the author:








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"Open carry creates a potentially dangerous situation.  In  
most cases when a person is openly carrying a firearm, law  
enforcement is called to the scene.  They may have few details  
other than that one or more people are present at a location  
and are armed.  Should the gun-carrying person move in a way  
that could be construed as threatening, peace officers may  
feel compelled to respond in a manner that could be lethal and  
unsafe not only for the gun-carrying individual, but for  
others nearby as well.

"When responding to calls from concerned citizens, law  
enforcement agents must determine whether the guns are  
actually unloaded. In light of the state's current economic  
crisis, is the practice of openly carrying a handgun in public  
areas a drain on public safety resources?

"Customers generally worry for their safety when someone  
carries a firearm into a business.  Thus, many businesses,  
including Buckhorn Grill, California Pizza Kitchen, and Peet's  
Coffee & Tea, have recognized this concern and have prohibited  
customers from openly carrying handguns in their  
establishments."

[u] 2)Current law [/u] specifies that carrying a loaded gun or a  
concealed gun is generally a misdemeanor, punishable by up to  
one year in a county jail and/or a fine of up to $1,000. There  
are circumstances, however, where the penalty may be a wobbler  
if the offender has a specified prior conviction. [u] 
[/u] 
[u]3)Support [/u] . According to the Legal Community Against Violence,  
"Over the past year, members of the so-called 'open carry  
movement' have shocked Californians statewide by holding  
carrying events in public places like coffee shops,  
restaurants, and public parks. Open carry advocates seek to  
normalize the carrying of firearms in public places, and use  
open carrying to protest what they see as unjust state  
firearms laws, including California's common-sense  
restrictions on the issuance of concealed firearms licenses. 

"While member of the open carry movement argue that they are  
just 'exercising their rights," the open carrying of firearms  
intimidates the public, wastes law enforcement resources, and  
creates opportunities for injury and death due to the  
accidental or intentional use of firearms. This conduct also  








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needlessly increases the likelihood that every day  
interpersonal conflicts will turn into deadly shootouts." 

[u] 4)Opposition [/u] . According to the Gun Owners of California [u] [/u] "We  
believe that a ban on 'open carrying' of unloaded handguns  
will bring a chilling effect on the constitutional rights of  
all citizens. Since the Second Amendment includes both the  
right to keep and bear arms, the government of California is  
going to have to come to grips as to how bearing will take  
place. As long as Carry Concealed Weapons Permits (CCWs) are  
not available to the vast majority of law-abiding citizens in  
California, the only other option is open carry. 

"The argument that citizens legally expressing their rights  
causes some to be intimidated or uncomfortable is a vapid  
excuse for curtailing both the First and Second Amendment  
rights of any citizen. It may make some people feel  
uncomfortable or intimidated to hear someone espousing  
communist or nazi or racist beliefs in the public square, but  
as long as they are not breaking the law by exercising their  
hate-filled beliefs into actual subversion of the country,  
their rights of free speech, no matter how detestable, are  
protected even if it makes some people uncomfortable. That is  
freedom!" 





[u] Analysis Prepared by [/u] :    Geoff Long / APPR. / (916) 319-2081
 
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So please tell me what this means Lori Saldana it's in your law AB 1934.

It may make some people feel
uncomfortable or intimidated to hear someone espousing
communist or nazi or racist beliefs in the public square, but
as long as they are not breaking the law by exercising their
hate-filled beliefs into actual subversion of the country,
their rights of free speech, no matter how detestable, are
protected even if it makes some people uncomfortable. That is
freedom!"


Open carry might make people uncomfortable or intimidated and as long as we are notbreaking the law it is our RIGHT to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS just like our freedom of speech. That is freedom too.

 

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SMamp;M 9mm Open Carry wrote:
So please tell me what this means Lori Saldana it's in your law AB 1934.

It may make some people feel
uncomfortable or intimidated to hear someone espousing
communist or nazi or racist beliefs in the public square, but
as long as they are not breaking the law by exercising their
hate-filled beliefs into actual subversion of the country,
their rights of free speech, no matter how detestable, are
protected even if it makes some people uncomfortable. That is
freedom!"


Open carry might make people uncomfortable or intimidated and as long as we are notbreaking the law it is our RIGHT to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS just like our freedom of speech. That is freedom too.

There is no need to shout, my glasses work fine.
 
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