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Man charged in John murder. Jesus Gonzalez, 23, accused of killing Danny John

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I just don't like being asked to support an organization and then treated like a mushroom. Kept in the dark and fed bulls**t. The news is out. We know who is dead. We know who the shooter is. We know the shooter is one of us. We know the shooter has been charged with murder for presumably self defense with presumably an open carried handgun. Time we know thedetails before we hear the information from the biased and convoluted media. Time we know the details before another member gets in trouble. Call me an arse if you will, but don't call me a sheep.
 

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Jason in WI wrote:
Johnny Stiletto wrote:
I hope he pulls through this one and I hope our justice system treats him as fairly as possible.
Me too. Well put.


No mater how this all plays out, in the end there will be no winner; everyone involved loses.
Well, it appears that Jesus is alive. Being a survivor makes him a winner. No doubt there are lots of nasty things to go through. Such is life. Jesus could not go through them if he were dead.
 

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Captain Nemo wrote:
I just don't like being asked to support an organization and then treated like a mushroom. Kept in the dark and fed bulls**t. The news is out. We know who is dead. We know who the shooter is. We know the shooter is one of us. We know the shooter has been charged with murder for presumably self defense with presumably an open carried handgun. Time we know thedetails before we hear the information from the biased and convoluted media. Time we know the details before another member gets in trouble. Call me an arse if you will, but don't call me a sheep.
Captain Nemo, I'm not sure what you're hoping to get. What information are you looking for and what do you think the source is going to be? In a criminal prosecution, you have the state and you have the defendant. Some, but not all of the information that the state has the state either voluntarily or mandatorily makes public. The defendant is of course well advised to say nothing, except to his lawyer. Anything he said to a non-lawyer (or other privileged party) would be subject to subpoena and forced disclosure by the state.

So, whether you like it or not, the only information you're likely to get for months is only what the state either has to give out or feels like giving out, and your likely outlet for that information is the media. The soonest you're likely to get the defendant's side, if ever, is at trial. Anything else would jeopardize the defense.
 

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Sometimes, the defense is wise to play in the court of public opinion. It is way too early for that, and it appears that the prosecution has already made up its mind. I hope that Jesus has a good lawyer. We should be able to find out that much, and he should be able to get out on bail. Maybe he needs some help. An inquiry to the police department might yield some information on his status.
 

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Captain Nemo wrote:
I just don't like being asked to support an organization and then treated like a mushroom. Kept in the dark and fed bulls**t. The news is out. We know who is dead. We know who the shooter is. We know the shooter is one of us. We know the shooter has been charged with murder for presumably self defense with presumably an open carried handgun. Time we know thedetails before we hear the information from the biased and convoluted media. Time we know the details before another member gets in trouble. Call me an arse if you will, but don't call me a sheep.

First off don't make comments until you know the facts! Unless you are DIRECTLY involved, you DO NOT know the facts! If you are DIRECTLY involved, get off this site now! DO NOT involve the people here in this legal proceeding!

IF, this is the Jesus that is a member of WCI, which we do not know, then you can be sure that WCI board members know about this.

Also, IF it is "our" Jesus, he probably has a limited number of contacts with his lawyers and family. I don't know about you, but if that was me, I would not want 20 folks from WCI or OCDO visiting me and having me miss an opportunity to see my family.

I support WCI fully and trust them to do what is right!

Again, until we know facts, we should drop this conversation. Big brother IS watching!
 

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Unless circumstances dictate otherwise, a good attorney is not going to share any information with anyone unless required to do so or it assists his or her case.

I do not need to know any details and if it endangers Jesus' case or his well being, I do not want to hear any of it.
 

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Captain Nemo wrote: Looks like the WCI officers "got out of Dodge".

What! Have you taken into consideration that Jesus would not want you discussing the details of his case on an internet forum?



YOUR ALL FOOLS!

You come on here and give information that could implicate a whole lot of people!

Your idiots.

What are you all thinking? disclosing any information on here! your all our own worst enemies.

Jesus is being held on a $250,000.00 Bail for 2 counts of 1st Degree Intentional Homicide.

Do you actually think he is going to have someone come on here and give the details? Huh Nemo? You are acting like an absolute Troll!

If all of you have any brains you will sit back and let the Justice system do it's job. If he was merely defending his life then he will get through this.

He is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt!

Charged does not mean convicted!

No one should pass on any information on this forum that has anything to do with a legal case. If you don't know that then you shouldn't be carrying a firearm anyway because you are mentally deficient.

Please people! Wake the Hell up! Erase any post that has anything to do with Jesus immediately. Remember this forum is monitored by LEO.

Gee now that I think about it maybe Nemo is LEO and he is trying to get someone to give information through this forum!
 

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My sympathies are with Jesus and his family. It seems the DA is pretty tight lipped about the circumstances regarding this unfortunate incident. More than likely intentionally holding back all the information so that the public is unable to determine how self defense plays into this whole thing.

Some posters on different sites are saying that Jesus is the one who called 911 and waited on a porch for officers to arrive. I wonder how long until FOI inquiries will be able to produce transcripts of that call? Could be a unbiased insight into the situation that would not jeopardize his defense in any way.

From the very little information that we have been given if Jesus in fact called 911 , which probably is the case but is not confirmed, I would have to believe that it was self defense.

As for Nemo. DON"T FEED THE TROLL!!!! Constant derailments,absurd demands, and clearly no common sense. TROLL TROLL TROLL:banghead::banghead::banghead:




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A Milwaukee man who filed a civil rights lawsuit over his arrests for openly carrying a gun into stores has been charged with fatally shooting one man and wounding another outside his south side home over the weekend.
After the shooting, Jesus C. Gonzalez immediately called 911 to report the incident. He was wearing his empty holster as he surrendered to police when they arrived moments later, according to a criminal complaint. His gun was sitting nearby.
Gonzalez, 23, was charged Thursday with first-degree intentional homicide and attempted first-degree intentional homicide in the death of Danny John and the wounding of his nephew, Jered Corn. Gonzalez is being held at the Milwaukee County Jail on $100,000 bail, according to jail and court records.
Coincidentally, a federal judge had dismissed his civil suit Tuesday.
According to the criminal complaint:
Early Sunday, John, 29, and Corn, 21, were at Mamie's tavern at S. Shea and National avenues. They agreed to go to a friend's house near the bar. Corn began walking there, while John went to get his car parked nearby. They had agreed to meet at the friend's house.
Corn told police that as he left the parking lot he saw Gonzalez pointing a gun at him on the sidewalk. He said Gonzalez ordered him to back up, which he did for several feet before Gonzalez shot him. Corn said he recalled John's car had arrived in the parking lot, and then sped away, but he couldn't remember more. Corn was shot in the throat and paralyzed.
The complaint does not include a post-interrogation statement from Gonzalez but indicates that he called police about 12:30 a.m. to report that "I just had two individuals try to assault me when I was going outside to move my car." He tells the dispatcher that he shot out the window of a car, and one of the men fell down, but he wasn't sure whether he hit either or both of the men, and that he ran after firing the shots.
When the dispatcher asked if the men had a gun, Gonzalez replies, "I don't know what they had, but they must have thought that I was not armed."
Upon arrival, police found Gonzalez standing outside with his hands up, wearing a black nylon gun holster on his side. His 9mm semiautomatic was sitting on top of a stack of boxes inside his house, with the slide pulled back exposing the empty chamber.
Police found John lying on the sidewalk around the corner, at 3400 W. National Ave., in front of his black Honda Civic, which was idling and had gunshots to the windshield. A cell phone was outside the driver's door, ringing.
A relative told police she had been talking to John by phone around the time of the shooting when she heard him having an argument, telling someone to leave his windows alone. She said she heard the other voice say a repeated expletive and "I'm going to back up in there" before the call became muffled and then was disconnected.
Corn told police neither he nor John had guns that night and had not had an altercation with Gonzalez.
Police officials recovered seven casings they determined were likely fired from Gonzalez's gun, which his brother told police he always wears when he leaves the house.
Last year, Gonzalez filed a federal lawsuit challenging the common practice of police arresting people who openly carry holstered guns in public after his arrests on disorderly conduct charges at a Menard's in West Milwaukee in 2008 and at a Wal-Mart in Chilton in April 2009. Prosecutor declined to bring charges in both cases.
A week later, Attorney General J.B.Van Hollen issued an advisory stating that so-called open carry, by itself, was not cause for a charge of disorderly conduct, and in the year since, open carry advocates have held picnics and other public events around the state promoting the practice.
Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn quickly responded to the Van Hollen advisory, saying Milwaukee officers would certainly still be questioning anyone seen openly carrying a gun in the city.
On Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Lynn Adelman dismissed Gonzalez's civil rights complaint, saying police officers indeed had probable cause to arrest him in each instance, and that even if they had not, the officers had qualified immunity from claims such as the one Gonzalez had filed. He had alleged privacy and due process violations.
Adelman also rejected Gonzalez's claim that because police in West Milwaukee and Chilton held his gun for months before returning it, they violated his rights against illegal search and seizure.
His order may likely anger open carry proponents.
"No reasonable person would dispute that walking into a retail store openly carrying a firearm is highly disruptive conduct which is virtually certain to create a disturbance.
"This is so because when employees and shoppers in retail stores see a person carrying a lethal weapon, they are likely to be frightened and possibly even panicky. Many employees and shoppers are likely to think that the person with the gun is either deranged or about to commit a felony or both.
"Further, it is almost certain that someone will call the police. And when police respond to a 'man with a gun' call, they have no idea what the armed individual's intentions are. The volatility inherent in such a situation could easily lead to someone being seriously injured or killed," Adelman wrote.
In January, two men and the group Wisconsin Carry, Inc., filed another federal lawsuit, challenging a Wisconsin law that restricts open carry within 1,000 feet of a school. That case is pending before Chief U.S. District Judge Charles N. Clevert Jr.
 

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When the dispatcher asked if the men had a gun, Gonzalez replies, "I don't know what they had, but they must have thought that I was not armed."

The advice to keep your mouth shut definitely should have been followed here. That statement is going to take a lot of explaining to overcome. It may or not be important in the end but sure looks bad initially.
 
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