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cloudcroft wrote:
What exactly do so many people have to hide that they don't want to wear a weapon openly? You know it used to be only criminals felt the need to hide their weapons. :X-- mcdonalk
I don't think suggesting that decent citizens who CC instead of OC (IF they can) aresimilar tocriminals is very helpfulsince it's not good 'for the cause' that OC people denigrate CC people -- or vice-versa. So it would be better if you used more'diplomatic' language, if you will,than you did with that particular statement cited above.
-- John D.
We all have our sore subjects, and this one is mine. If I said "the evil practice of carrying weapons secretly" (
Alabama Code 1852, §15) would that be diplomatic enough for you? In Alabama, at least, carrying a weapon concealed is a crime. It wasn't until the mid 1900's that the government started to issue permits to individuals so they could commit that crime without repercussion.
Do I think that everyone who CCs is a criminal? Hardly. It is, however, very sad to see the act of bearing arms move from something all civilized people do, to something you have to keep hidden or risk being branded a social outcast.
Should I be more diplomatic to those who carry concealed because of legitimate reasons other than social pressure? I would like to think that I am. If I came across as talking about those people, then I apologize.
Alwaysdoubletap wrote:
First of all ,don't pee yourself you might get
all fussy if you do.
That stings a little. Wait, no. That was indigestion.
I was simply saying that we already have to purchase CC permits. I too like to OC when the mood strikes me or the situation
calls for it.
Do we have to purchase CCP now? I thought it was still a choice. I don't have one. Would it make my life easier? Due to a certain wording in a certain law yes it would, but I am not going to cave to the social pressure to conceal a weapon just because the legislature has made carrying openly inconvenient. What exactly is the OC 'mood'? When does a situation 'call for' OC? If I'm ever somewhere I think I need a gun, I'm in the wrong place.
Although there are places and times that CC gives
you the tactical advantage and that's not a bad thing.
Oh, you're one of
those CCers.
As far as my
suggestion for a combined CC/OC permit think of this.
1.If you were questioned by a Leo , all that you would need to do
is show the proposed permit and that would be that.
Why would I do that? Or are you a proponent of the requirement to identify as well as detainment without RAS?
2. Every firearm that you purchase new is registered by
BATF anyway and your backgound is checked.
And that should be more than enough to satisfy any curiosity about my choice to exercise my rights. Why do you insist that it be taken farther?
3. A felon can not legally purchase a firearm or a permit to
carry one.
And yet, they still have them... Imagine that.
And I agree that we shouldn't pay for the right to OC in the first place.
But let's face it the AL State goverment probably won't pass legislation to
clarify the right to OC unless they can profit from it.
See, we can agree on something.
And as far as the shoving of a permit in relation to
me I assure you will require much more ability , attitude,
and effort than you could ever aspire to have. But at the
risk of severe and repetitive beatings you are welcome and encouraged
to try.
If I had said, for instance, "How about I come down (up, over) there and shove..." then your response would be appropriate. As it is, you are displaying an awful lot of internet courage assuming that there is not someone out there with the ability to do whatever you think I said.