autosurgeon
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Frank Bernz wrote:
Frank Bernz wrote:
Good point!
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Man charged in stray bullet killing of woman, 69
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choover
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autosurgeon wrote:
autosurgeon wrote:
And at that point he would have been justified. the report says he exited the car, dropped the gun, and ran. A unarmed man running away from you is not a threat when you are holding a gun aimed at a grandmother...err I mean criminal
Frank Bernz
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choover wrote:
"Man charged in stray bullet killing of woman, 69
DETROIT — A 19-year-old who police said robbed another man with a fake handgun and was shot at while fleeing was charged Saturday with murder in the death of a 69-year-old Detroit grandmother killed by the gunfire. (function(){ GEL.thepage.initializer.addInitRoutine({ name: "YahooBuzz", namespace: "remoting", callback: loadcontent, priority: 100 }); GEL.thepage.initializer.addInitRoutine({ name: "sharelinks", namespace: "widget.ArticleTools", callback: initShareThis, priority: 91 }); GEL.thepage.initializer.addInitRoutine({ name: "fontsize", namespace: "widget.ArticleTools", callback: initFontSize, priority: 99 }); function initShareThis(){ var _w= GEL.thepage.shareThis= new GEL.widget.ShareThis("sharelinks"); _w.init(); } function initFontSize(){ var _w= GEL.thepage.fontSize= new GEL.widget.FontSizeWidget("sharelinks"); _w.init(); } function loadcontent(){ var _jscntr= GEL.ement("YahooBuzz"), _u= "http://d.yimg.com/ds/badge2.js"; window.yahooBuzzBadgeType= 'text'; _jscntr.setContentUrl(_u); _jscntr.updateRemoteContent(); return; } })(); Antwan Hall of Detroit was charged with felony murder in the Wednesday afternoon death of Geraldine Jackson, the Wayne County prosecutor’s office said. If convicted, he faces life in prison without parole.
“She was ... an unintended victim who was tragically killed as a result of a course of conduct the defendant set in motion,” Prosecutor Kym Worthy said in a statement.
Prosecutors didn’t know whether Hall had a lawyer. He was scheduled to be arraigned Sunday in 36th District Court.
Jackson died after a bullet went through the wall of her northwest side home and struck her in the chest. The shot was fired by a 65-year-old who told them he was aiming for a man who robbed him and stole his vehicle, police said.
The prosecutor’s office said no decision had been made Saturday on whether to charge the older man.
According to prosecutors, Hall approached the older man about 1:45 p.m. and, after a brief conversation, pulled out what looked like a handgun and ordered the man into the basement of a house.
The gun turned out to be fake, investigators said.
Hall took the man’s wallet, keys and cell phone and fled in the man’s sport utility vehicle, prosecutors said. He crashed into a tree and jumped out of the SUV after the man fired at the vehicle.
The older man fired again at Hall and missed, but a bullet went into Jackson’s home and struck her, prosecutors said. Jackson was taken to a local hospital, where she died.
Jackson was the second person in Detroit in four days slain by gunfire intended for someone else. Avondre Donel, 15, was on a friend’s porch May 9 in northwest Detroit when he was killed in a drive-by shooting.
That shooting remains under investigation by police."
choover wrote:
Your version doesn't seem to match the report. Making stuff up as you go along?
"Man charged in stray bullet killing of woman, 69
DETROIT — A 19-year-old who police said robbed another man with a fake handgun and was shot at while fleeing was charged Saturday with murder in the death of a 69-year-old Detroit grandmother killed by the gunfire. (function(){ GEL.thepage.initializer.addInitRoutine({ name: "YahooBuzz", namespace: "remoting", callback: loadcontent, priority: 100 }); GEL.thepage.initializer.addInitRoutine({ name: "sharelinks", namespace: "widget.ArticleTools", callback: initShareThis, priority: 91 }); GEL.thepage.initializer.addInitRoutine({ name: "fontsize", namespace: "widget.ArticleTools", callback: initFontSize, priority: 99 }); function initShareThis(){ var _w= GEL.thepage.shareThis= new GEL.widget.ShareThis("sharelinks"); _w.init(); } function initFontSize(){ var _w= GEL.thepage.fontSize= new GEL.widget.FontSizeWidget("sharelinks"); _w.init(); } function loadcontent(){ var _jscntr= GEL.ement("YahooBuzz"), _u= "http://d.yimg.com/ds/badge2.js"; window.yahooBuzzBadgeType= 'text'; _jscntr.setContentUrl(_u); _jscntr.updateRemoteContent(); return; } })(); Antwan Hall of Detroit was charged with felony murder in the Wednesday afternoon death of Geraldine Jackson, the Wayne County prosecutor’s office said. If convicted, he faces life in prison without parole.
“She was ... an unintended victim who was tragically killed as a result of a course of conduct the defendant set in motion,” Prosecutor Kym Worthy said in a statement.
Prosecutors didn’t know whether Hall had a lawyer. He was scheduled to be arraigned Sunday in 36th District Court.
Jackson died after a bullet went through the wall of her northwest side home and struck her in the chest. The shot was fired by a 65-year-old who told them he was aiming for a man who robbed him and stole his vehicle, police said.
The prosecutor’s office said no decision had been made Saturday on whether to charge the older man.
According to prosecutors, Hall approached the older man about 1:45 p.m. and, after a brief conversation, pulled out what looked like a handgun and ordered the man into the basement of a house.
The gun turned out to be fake, investigators said.
Hall took the man’s wallet, keys and cell phone and fled in the man’s sport utility vehicle, prosecutors said. He crashed into a tree and jumped out of the SUV after the man fired at the vehicle.
The older man fired again at Hall and missed, but a bullet went into Jackson’s home and struck her, prosecutors said. Jackson was taken to a local hospital, where she died.
Jackson was the second person in Detroit in four days slain by gunfire intended for someone else. Avondre Donel, 15, was on a friend’s porch May 9 in northwest Detroit when he was killed in a drive-by shooting.
That shooting remains under investigation by police."
choover
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Frank Bernz wrote:
and it is not over, the shooter may still be charged.
Frank Bernz wrote:
No, it would seem you just lack the ability to read. Go back to page one, I had posted a link backing up what I said about him dropping the gun and running.
and it is not over, the shooter may still be charged.
Frank Bernz
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choover wrote:
choover wrote:
I am not the illiterate one. You're the one that reads into the article stuff that ain't there. I copy pasted your link. Read it again and show me where it says what you make up.
1245A Defender
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in the second posted news link!!!
Emerging from the house, Bell went to the street, saw the man in his car, and drew a handgun and fired, striking the vehicle. Hall crashed into a tree, bailed out of the vehicle, dropped his handgun and fled on foot, according to investigators. As Hall ran west at Pickford and Vaughn, Bell fired again, the bullet entering Jackson’s home in the 18400 block of Vaughn and struck Jackson.
in the second posted news link!!!
Emerging from the house, Bell went to the street, saw the man in his car, and drew a handgun and fired, striking the vehicle. Hall crashed into a tree, bailed out of the vehicle, dropped his handgun and fled on foot, according to investigators. As Hall ran west at Pickford and Vaughn, Bell fired again, the bullet entering Jackson’s home in the 18400 block of Vaughn and struck Jackson.
choover
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Frank Bernz wrote:
You don't see that?
http://www.freep.com/article/20100515/NEWS01/100515014/1001/rss01
Frank Bernz wrote:
Emerging from the house, Bell went to the street, saw the man in his car, and drew a handgun and fired, striking the vehicle. Hall crashed into a tree, bailed out of the vehicle, dropped his handgun and fled on foot, according to investigators. As Hall ran west at Pickford and Vaughn, Bell fired again, the bullet entering Jackson’s home in the 18400 block of Vaughn and struck Jackson.
You don't see that?
http://www.freep.com/article/20100515/NEWS01/100515014/1001/rss01
Taurus850CIA
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The shooter was concentrating on the fleeing suspect, and failed to take into consideration what was beyond his target. Irresponsible shoot, regardless of any pertinent law.
The shooter was concentrating on the fleeing suspect, and failed to take into consideration what was beyond his target. Irresponsible shoot, regardless of any pertinent law.
choover
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Taurus850CIA wrote:
Taurus850CIA wrote:
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
kyleplusitunes
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very sorry to hear about the loss of life, but I wonder how many people the shooter saved.
very sorry to hear about the loss of life, but I wonder how many people the shooter saved.
manicdevery
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Taurus850CIA wrote:
Devery
Taurus850CIA wrote:
i will give this a +1 for sure. i spend more time in my daily life looking at safe berms to where a bullet could safely travel. at my work there is almost no where safe i should be shooting. i don't want anyone to think my heart does not go out to the innocent lost.
Devery
Evil Creamsicle
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kyleplusitunes wrote:
kyleplusitunes wrote:
None, unless the grandma was a serial killer...
Evil Creamsicle
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manicdevery wrote:
manicdevery wrote:
I will respectfully disagree with you Devery, only because a 'potential threat to future victims' does not fall in line with the definition of 'imminent', unless he was running away from the first victim in a B-line to another victim for a hat-trick robbery.
smellslikemichigan
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Evil Creamsicle wrote:
Evil Creamsicle wrote:
he was talking about the fleeing felon
HankT
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manicdevery wrote:
You've got the "proving" responsibility flipped around. You don't really know that the guy is "more than likely to do it to someone else" and just because you hold that theory doesn't legally justify you shooting a fleeing criminal on the basis of some strained and personalizedinterpretation of "imminent."
manicdevery wrote:
One less good woman, too. A mother. A grandmother.
I wonder if there is any liability on the part of the shooter to compensate the woman's family???
There should be...
manicdevery wrote:
You've got the "proving" responsibility flipped around. You don't really know that the guy is "more than likely to do it to someone else" and just because you hold that theory doesn't legally justify you shooting a fleeing criminal on the basis of some strained and personalizedinterpretation of "imminent."
manicdevery wrote:
One less good woman, too. A mother. A grandmother.
I wonder if there is any liability on the part of the shooter to compensate the woman's family???
There should be...
Evil Creamsicle
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smellslikemichigan wrote:
smellslikemichigan wrote:
I know he was. However, the shooter didn't stop the fleeing felon. He stopped a grandma.
HankT
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Evil Creamsicle wrote:
Yes, sadly, from society's and the deceased'sfamily's perspective, that is it in a nutshell:
Some LAC gun carrier was getting robbed by a gunman--so the LAC shot a grandmother. And killed her.
I can see the antis' viewpoint a little better when I see a case like this one.
Evil Creamsicle wrote:
Yes, sadly, from society's and the deceased'sfamily's perspective, that is it in a nutshell:
Some LAC gun carrier was getting robbed by a gunman--so the LAC shot a grandmother. And killed her.
I can see the antis' viewpoint a little better when I see a case like this one.
Evil Creamsicle
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Don't forget, though, Hank that with the facts presented:
You have already weighed in when you stated that it is a
Don't forget, though, Hank that with the facts presented:
You have already weighed in when you stated that it is a
smellslikemichigan
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don't worry about hank, he's the one who said this not too long ago:
"I can see the antis' viewpoint a little better when I see a case like this one."
he's a closet anti who likes to troll through the michigan forum from time to time and insert his opinion where it's not wanted/needed
don't worry about hank, he's the one who said this not too long ago:
"I can see the antis' viewpoint a little better when I see a case like this one."
he's a closet anti who likes to troll through the michigan forum from time to time and insert his opinion where it's not wanted/needed
Evil Creamsicle
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smellslikemichigan wrote:
My comment had an underlying air of 'smartass'.
smellslikemichigan wrote:
I know.
My comment had an underlying air of 'smartass'.