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69Charger
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RIGHT ON GUYS. LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU THERE.
Semper FI
Dave
RIGHT ON GUYS. LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU THERE.
Semper FI
Dave
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WinchesterModel12
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i will try to be there
i will try to be there
follker
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looking good
looking good
irishpunk
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Armed and ready !!! 14/88
Armed and ready !!! 14/88
sudden valley gunner
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jarhead1055 wrote:
Damn wish I could come just to hear your stories.
Have you sent your dog out to collect nails in the driveway yet?
jarhead1055 wrote:
Damn wish I could come just to hear your stories.
Have you sent your dog out to collect nails in the driveway yet?
jarhead1911A
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No not yet the magnets i ordered for my dog havent come in yet damn ebay.....
No not yet the magnets i ordered for my dog havent come in yet damn ebay.....
Bob Warden
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irishpunk wrote:
Count me OUT. Here's why:
Fourteen Words
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The Fourteen Words is a phrase used predominantly by white nationalists. It most commonly refers to the 14-word slogan: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children",[1][/suP] and it can also refer to another 14-word slogan: "Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth."[2][/suP] Both slogans were coined by David Lane, a member of the white separatist organization The Order. The first slogan was inspired by a statement, 88 words in length, from Volume 1, Chapter 8 of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf:
What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. Every thought and every idea, every doctrine and all knowledge, must serve this purpose. And everything must be examined from this point of view and used or rejected according to its utility.
White nationalists sometimes combine the number 14 with 88, as in "14/88" or "1488". The 8s stand for the eighth letter of the alphabet (H), with 'HH' standing for "Heil Hitler".[3][/suP] '88' can also refer to the book 88 Precepts by David Lane.[4][/suP] The 88 can also stand for the 88-word statement in Mein Kampf mentioned above.
irishpunk wrote:
Count me OUT. Here's why:
Fourteen Words
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The Fourteen Words is a phrase used predominantly by white nationalists. It most commonly refers to the 14-word slogan: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children",[1][/suP] and it can also refer to another 14-word slogan: "Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth."[2][/suP] Both slogans were coined by David Lane, a member of the white separatist organization The Order. The first slogan was inspired by a statement, 88 words in length, from Volume 1, Chapter 8 of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf:
What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. Every thought and every idea, every doctrine and all knowledge, must serve this purpose. And everything must be examined from this point of view and used or rejected according to its utility.
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69Charger
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Please come Bob. This subject will not be tolerated at this meet. I will personalty escort any person that raised (in support of) this subject, up there. I will not stand for it nor will any other of my fellow members.
This is for us good 2nd amendment supporting people and not in any way will it be thrown into the crapper by 1 person.
You have my word on it.
Dave:X
Please come Bob. This subject will not be tolerated at this meet. I will personalty escort any person that raised (in support of) this subject, up there. I will not stand for it nor will any other of my fellow members.
This is for us good 2nd amendment supporting people and not in any way will it be thrown into the crapper by 1 person.
You have my word on it.
Dave:X
gogodawgs
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Bob,
I do hope that you come. I believe that the person who has 2 posts is just an agent provocteur and won't be tolerated. We must always be aware. What is interesting is how easy it is to call these people out and how quickly their house of cards comes down.
Bob,
I do hope that you come. I believe that the person who has 2 posts is just an agent provocteur and won't be tolerated. We must always be aware. What is interesting is how easy it is to call these people out and how quickly their house of cards comes down.
jarhead1911A
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69Charger wrote:
69Charger wrote:
I will not standby and let a fellow marine escort someone out by himself so you got my support as well 69Charger
Bob Warden
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jarhead1055 wrote:
jarhead1055 wrote:
I feel better after seeing the response this punk has drawn. I'll be there, but probably a little bit late as I have to firstdrop my wife off at work in Covington at 9:40.
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69Charger
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Looking forward to seein ya Bob.
Dave
Looking forward to seein ya Bob.
Dave
sudden valley gunner
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Bob Warden wrote:
I wouldn't stand by and let two veterans do this job without a regular citizen's (whose freedoms you protect)help.
Bob that guy is a Douche don't judge people here by one idiot.
Bob Warden wrote:
I wouldn't stand by and let two veterans do this job without a regular citizen's (whose freedoms you protect)help.
Bob that guy is a Douche don't judge people here by one idiot.
amzbrady
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69Charger wrote:
Just saying.
69Charger wrote:
Again I do not agree with anything to do with predjudism, but I see a couple problems here. If someone doesnt like your gun, should they be allowed to personnally escort you out of a public place. Would they have the right? What I see is you will deny someones 1st amendment while you are support your 2nd amendment. If someone doesnt like your gun, would you not educate them on why it is good to carry? Why not do the same and educate someone on why racism is bad.
Just saying.
Batousaii
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Again, I'll be there.
- Bob, I hope you will come. I'd say, lets not worry about Mr 14/88, i doubt he's even gonna show. In fact, he might not even be real (read: anti-gunner trying to ruin our meet with a bad post?) if he is real, seems he stuck his foot in his mouth, er, typing hand - i'd be embarrassed if i was him. IF he does come, i am pretty sure it's been made clear that his noted topic is off limits and absolutely not what we are about - i too am in a mixed marriage.
Bat
To: Irishpunk, Probably best you drop thesupremest stuff here, or it'll get you banned,and asked to stay away from meets. If you have any hope of being included then you should not advertise your ultra radical idealism - keep it to yourself, most of us do notagree with it. - I would like to think you can use self controllto realise a better relationship is possible with this group.
Amzbrady: yes, i mostly agree with you regarding 1-A, but ... private property can ask us 2-A types to leave if they don't agree with us, and i feel we can let a fellow OCer know that his personal message needs to be toned down too. We are striving for a image of "normalising" open carry, and to let ultra-radicals, especially violent philosophies into the fray is detrimental to that image of being "normal" - I don't advertise all my beliefs, as some may be to heavy for the average joe, our supremest friend needs to consider the same. I actually had a supremest friend for a while... well.. he is not (supremest) anymore, and actually works to help others know tolerance through his personal story. I hope Irshpunk has the courage to do the same.
Again, I'll be there.
- Bob, I hope you will come. I'd say, lets not worry about Mr 14/88, i doubt he's even gonna show. In fact, he might not even be real (read: anti-gunner trying to ruin our meet with a bad post?) if he is real, seems he stuck his foot in his mouth, er, typing hand - i'd be embarrassed if i was him. IF he does come, i am pretty sure it's been made clear that his noted topic is off limits and absolutely not what we are about - i too am in a mixed marriage.
BatTo: Irishpunk, Probably best you drop thesupremest stuff here, or it'll get you banned,and asked to stay away from meets. If you have any hope of being included then you should not advertise your ultra radical idealism - keep it to yourself, most of us do notagree with it. - I would like to think you can use self controllto realise a better relationship is possible with this group.
Amzbrady: yes, i mostly agree with you regarding 1-A, but ... private property can ask us 2-A types to leave if they don't agree with us, and i feel we can let a fellow OCer know that his personal message needs to be toned down too. We are striving for a image of "normalising" open carry, and to let ultra-radicals, especially violent philosophies into the fray is detrimental to that image of being "normal" - I don't advertise all my beliefs, as some may be to heavy for the average joe, our supremest friend needs to consider the same. I actually had a supremest friend for a while... well.. he is not (supremest) anymore, and actually works to help others know tolerance through his personal story. I hope Irshpunk has the courage to do the same.
sudden valley gunner
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amzbrady wrote:
I see your point, but I don't tolerate these guys if he was allowed to sit there and spew his garbage I'd get up and leave myself. He can go sit somewhere else in the restaurant. But not be part of a group I am in.
Another point is look how hard many folks in the media and certain politicians are trying to paint gun owners and folks who believe in the constitution and 2a as racist, white supremist, extremist, etc. Why tolerate that?
amzbrady wrote:
I see your point, but I don't tolerate these guys if he was allowed to sit there and spew his garbage I'd get up and leave myself. He can go sit somewhere else in the restaurant. But not be part of a group I am in.
Another point is look how hard many folks in the media and certain politicians are trying to paint gun owners and folks who believe in the constitution and 2a as racist, white supremist, extremist, etc. Why tolerate that?
amzbrady
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sudden valley gunner wrote:
sudden valley gunner wrote:
I was just trying to make the point that the purpose of these meets are to educate. Maybe it should not stop with 2A. I agree that yes if someone would start preaching white supremecy, that a "knee jerk reaction" would be to throw this guy out on his head. But as citizens we would have no right to ask them to leave. Better things could be done. But as for the meet, I would hope that no one would show up with the intent to make it a miserable meet. I always enjoy hearing that things went well, and really enjoy seeing the pictures of you guys among the public just enjoying your time together.
sirpuma
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amzbrady wrote:
He signed with a 14/88. So what. If I signed off with Blessed Be, how much would you hate me. I'm Pagan. Most if not all of you are Christian. For the past 100 generations Christians have made it their goal to kill my people and destroy my culture. It is the Christian goal to wipe out every other religion out there, same goal as Islam. Islam does it through conquest, Christianity does it through "conversion" then conquest.
Our 1st Amendment applies to EVERY CITIZEN, not just a select few. Our right to be in a public place it available to all, not just those who fit in with one persons conception of the ideal person. Our 2nd Amendment right applies to EVERY CITIZEN (with the typical caveats) not to just those you think fit your mold.
I find it interesting the amount of HATE coming from various members here based on his 14/88. You can simply say that that topic will not be welcome. But to tell him you will escort him out if he shows up is ILLEGAL. You have no authority to escort anyone out of a public place for ANY reason. You want to rail against him for "hate" yet you do it with much hate yourself.
Nuff Said. Blessed Be.
amzbrady wrote:
I have always wondered something. When a black person stands and says "Black Pride" everyone cheers, pats him on the back and says "be proud of who you are". When a hispanic stands and says "Latino Pride" everyone smiles and says "yes, take pride in where you come from". When a Jew says "Jewish Pride" everyone shouts "long live Israel". Same thing with Asians, Middle Easterners and more. BUT when a white person stands and says "White Pride" he is shouted down, called racist and evil and beaten. His rights are suddenly not worth protecting. Why is that?
He signed with a 14/88. So what. If I signed off with Blessed Be, how much would you hate me. I'm Pagan. Most if not all of you are Christian. For the past 100 generations Christians have made it their goal to kill my people and destroy my culture. It is the Christian goal to wipe out every other religion out there, same goal as Islam. Islam does it through conquest, Christianity does it through "conversion" then conquest.
Our 1st Amendment applies to EVERY CITIZEN, not just a select few. Our right to be in a public place it available to all, not just those who fit in with one persons conception of the ideal person. Our 2nd Amendment right applies to EVERY CITIZEN (with the typical caveats) not to just those you think fit your mold.
I find it interesting the amount of HATE coming from various members here based on his 14/88. You can simply say that that topic will not be welcome. But to tell him you will escort him out if he shows up is ILLEGAL. You have no authority to escort anyone out of a public place for ANY reason. You want to rail against him for "hate" yet you do it with much hate yourself.
Nuff Said. Blessed Be.
gogodawgs
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sirpuma wrote:
When any 'pride' based on race is yelled I condemn it. However, he can do it, it does not mean that he can do it where ever he so chooses. The 1A does not guarantee his right to do so on Denny's property. Nor does it preclude OCDO's right to free association. "Irish Punk" is an agent provocateur and this is intentional.
I am not "Christian", I am a Deist. I condemn any hatred based on religious persecution as did our founders.
OCDO has a right to free association. Denny's is not a 'public place', it is private property that is open for public accommodation.
Where is the 'hate' you claim? It is not from me, one thing that I will always say is that individual liberty is the cornerstone of mankind.
sirpuma wrote:
When any 'pride' based on race is yelled I condemn it. However, he can do it, it does not mean that he can do it where ever he so chooses. The 1A does not guarantee his right to do so on Denny's property. Nor does it preclude OCDO's right to free association. "Irish Punk" is an agent provocateur and this is intentional.
I am not "Christian", I am a Deist. I condemn any hatred based on religious persecution as did our founders.
OCDO has a right to free association. Denny's is not a 'public place', it is private property that is open for public accommodation.
Where is the 'hate' you claim? It is not from me, one thing that I will always say is that individual liberty is the cornerstone of mankind.
Batousaii
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Sirpuma, i see the essence of what you are saying, and the subject is recipe for a great (and healthy) debate. Not being Cristian myself, i also realise the viewpoint. However, I personally don't like any "group" that advocates overthrow or genocide against another. I think the reason for the strong reaction, is that many here, being armed citizens, feel protective of our environment and community, and thus see most of those "power group(s)" rhetoric as dangerous to a civilised nation that we all strive for. I myself hold 1-A to heart, as i do my 2-A, both go hand in hand, however i would not let my friend shoot his gun off in a public venue, same would go for his mouth. That friend of mine would likely receive a hearty earful from me. Sure, and Yes, he has the right to express his ultra radical idealism, and yes i have a right to tell him to knock it off, might even tell him to go away. -- I don't personally feel "hate" for these guys. Concern and defensive posture might be more accurate. I do feel the supremest philosophy is dangerous, be itrace, religious,politicalor whatever.
- I don't hate this guys, but indeed do not want to be associated with that idealism.
- Teach him and show him there are better ways to live ones life - sure - if he is receptive to growth and change.
- Prefer he simply knock off the supremest crap so we can enjoy dinner and a common subject of 2-A freedom - 100%
- Please don't take this as an affront, i believe you have valid points, and your view is refreshing even if i don't 100% agree.
Kindly,
Bat
Sirpuma, i see the essence of what you are saying, and the subject is recipe for a great (and healthy) debate. Not being Cristian myself, i also realise the viewpoint. However, I personally don't like any "group" that advocates overthrow or genocide against another. I think the reason for the strong reaction, is that many here, being armed citizens, feel protective of our environment and community, and thus see most of those "power group(s)" rhetoric as dangerous to a civilised nation that we all strive for. I myself hold 1-A to heart, as i do my 2-A, both go hand in hand, however i would not let my friend shoot his gun off in a public venue, same would go for his mouth. That friend of mine would likely receive a hearty earful from me. Sure, and Yes, he has the right to express his ultra radical idealism, and yes i have a right to tell him to knock it off, might even tell him to go away. -- I don't personally feel "hate" for these guys. Concern and defensive posture might be more accurate. I do feel the supremest philosophy is dangerous, be itrace, religious,politicalor whatever.
- I don't hate this guys, but indeed do not want to be associated with that idealism.
- Teach him and show him there are better ways to live ones life - sure - if he is receptive to growth and change.
- Prefer he simply knock off the supremest crap so we can enjoy dinner and a common subject of 2-A freedom - 100%
- Please don't take this as an affront, i believe you have valid points, and your view is refreshing even if i don't 100% agree.
Kindly,
Bat