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So he will stop passing people for being able to shoot downrange only?
That is a good start
How about making up laws that should be changed for sure.
and tell him I said to take his BS instructing and lies and shove them.
Sick of all the crappy instructors
He is just the same as the ones that say
OC is illegal and you MUST CC
That you cannot defend yourself if in public only in your home
OCing is brandishing
Printing is brandishing
and like malignity said someone told him he could ignore PFZ's

This guy is worse than all of them because he is spreading his lies while on the Oakland county gun board

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Beerme wrote:

So he will stop passing people for being able to shoot downrange only?
That is a good start
How about making up laws that should be changed for sure.
and tell him I said to take his BS instructing and lies and shove them.
Sick of all the crappy instructors
He is just the same as the ones that say
OC is illegal and you MUST CC
That you cannot defend yourself if in public only in your home
OCing is brandishing
Printing is brandishing
and like malignity said someone told him he could ignore PFZ's

This guy is worse than all of them because he is spreading his lies while on the Oakland county gun board

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That's a lot to infer from someone you've never met, and certainly a harsh statement to make about a person who is being given no chance to defend or clarify their statements.

Perhaps you should instead email your concerns to him at wildwestacademy@aol.com

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Anyone who didn't get the statement "If the bullets go that way, you pass" as tongue and cheek probably isn't very smart. Everyone in the universe knows that statement was not meant to be taken literally. To defame a person for something like that shows a lack of intelligence on the part of the writer for sure.

As for the 21 foot rule, another over simplification by the writer. Mark Cortis can talk for days on the laws regarding the use of deadly force that go far beyond simple theories or guidelines like the 21 foot rule. There is of course disparity of circumstance, the use of other weapons, exacerbated pugilistic skills, ie Mike Tyson wants to fight you. To take a statement out of context that would require expansive explanation is reckless and unfortunate. To cast a shadow over the entire organization and the instructor based on these remarks is downright pathetic.

It seems that Mark Cortis as the most humble of human beings on the planet would not ever be out to get anyone else, to make negative remarks of any kind, or to be less than positive. He does not claim to be an expert of any kind, nor a good shot, nor know everything about the law, and if you took the entire class and listened to the minimum two hours of law you would realize how misguided your accusations are.

Mark is also a strong supporter of MOC and hands out our literature in every class, and tells people the right stuff about open carry. Why a member of MOC would want to bash someone who promotes the organization is beyond me.

So, maybe it would be a good idea before jumping to rash conclusions and making inflammatory remarks to get the whole story, and to try and be a little more positive about things. Good grief, the next issue on the board seems to be an argument about trigger squeeze vs trigger control! Yikes! Do we not have better things to do than get into semantical arguments about such things.

Let's get back to the positive issue of promoting open carry, and stop bashing good people over petty issues. And for goodness sake please take the time to know the whole story before writing a book of broad generalizations okay?

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Anyone who didn't get the statement "If the bullets go that way, you pass" as tongue and cheek probably isn't very smart. Everyone in the universe knows that statement was not meant to be taken literally. To defame a person for something like that shows a lack of intelligence on the part of the writer for sure.

As for the 21 foot rule, another over simplification by the writer. Mark Cortis can talk for days on the laws regarding the use of deadly force that go far beyond simple theories or guidelines like the 21 foot rule. There is of course disparity of circumstance, the use of other weapons, exacerbated pugilistic skills, ie Mike Tyson wants to fight you. To take a statement out of context that would require expansive explanation is reckless and unfortunate. To cast a shadow over the entire organization and the instructor based on these remarks is downright pathetic.

It seems that Mark Cortis as the most humble of human beings on the planet would not ever be out to get anyone else, to make negative remarks of any kind, or to be less than positive. He does not claim to be an expert of any kind, nor a good shot, nor know everything about the law, and if you took the entire class and listened to the minimum two hours of law you would realize how misguided your accusations are.

Mark is also a strong supporter of MOC and hands out our literature in every class, and tells people the right stuff about open carry. Why a member of MOC would want to bash someone who promotes the organization is beyond me.

So, maybe it would be a good idea before jumping to rash conclusions and making inflammatory remarks to get the whole story, and to try and be a little more positive about things. Good grief, the next issue on the board seems to be an argument about trigger squeeze vs trigger control! Yikes! Do we not have better things to do than get into semantical arguments about such things.

Let's get back to the positive issue of promoting open carry, and stop bashing good people over petty issues. And for goodness sake please take the time to know the whole story before writing a book of broad generalizations okay?

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No, I am someone very close to him who is writing on his behalf using his screen name. I certainly wish all the best to everyone on this message board, and a blessed week to all.

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Anyone who didn't get the statement "If the bullets go that way, you pass" as tongue and cheek probably isn't very smart. Everyone in the universe knows that statement was not meant to be taken literally. To defame a person for something like that shows a lack of intelligence on the part of the writer for sure.

As for the 21 foot rule, another over simplification by the writer. Mark Cortis can talk for days on the laws regarding the use of deadly force that go far beyond simple theories or guidelines like the 21 foot rule. There is of course disparity of circumstance, the use of other weapons, exacerbated pugilistic skills, ie Mike Tyson wants to fight you. To take a statement out of context that would require expansive explanation is reckless and unfortunate. To cast a shadow over the entire organization and the instructor based on these remarks is downright pathetic.

It seems that Mark Cortis as the most humble of human beings on the planet would not ever be out to get anyone else, to make negative remarks of any kind, or to be less than positive. He does not claim to be an expert of any kind, nor a good shot, nor know everything about the law, and if you took the entire class and listened to the minimum two hours of law you would realize how misguided your accusations are.

Mark is also a strong supporter of MOC and hands out our literature in every class, and tells people the right stuff about open carry. Why a member of MOC would want to bash someone who promotes the organization is beyond me.

So, maybe it would be a good idea before jumping to rash conclusions and making inflammatory remarks to get the whole story, and to try and be a little more positive about things. Good grief, the next issue on the board seems to be an argument about trigger squeeze vs trigger control! Yikes! Do we not have better things to do than get into semantical arguments about such things.

Let's get back to the positive issue of promoting open carry, and stop bashing good people over petty issues. And for goodness sake please take the time to know the whole story before writing a book of broad generalizations okay?

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Anyone who didn't get the statement "If the bullets go that way, you pass" as tongue and cheek probably isn't very smart. Everyone in the universe knows that statement was not meant to be taken literally. To defame a person for something like that shows a lack of intelligence on the part of the writer for sure.

As for the 21 foot rule, another over simplification by the writer. Mark Cortis can talk for days on the laws regarding the use of deadly force that go far beyond simple theories or guidelines like the 21 foot rule. There is of course disparity of circumstance, the use of other weapons, exacerbated pugilistic skills, ie Mike Tyson wants to fight you. To take a statement out of context that would require expansive explanation is reckless and unfortunate. To cast a shadow over the entire organization and the instructor based on these remarks is downright pathetic.

It seems that Mark Cortis as the most humble of human beings on the planet would not ever be out to get anyone else, to make negative remarks of any kind, or to be less than positive. He does not claim to be an expert of any kind, nor a good shot, nor know everything about the law, and if you took the entire class and listened to the minimum two hours of law you would realize how misguided your accusations are.

Mark is also a strong supporter of MOC and hands out our literature in every class, and tells people the right stuff about open carry. Why a member of MOC would want to bash someone who promotes the organization is beyond me.

So, maybe it would be a good idea before jumping to rash conclusions and making inflammatory remarks to get the whole story, and to try and be a little more positive about things. Good grief, the next issue on the board seems to be an argument about trigger squeeze vs trigger control! Yikes! Do we not have better things to do than get into semantical arguments about such things.

Let's get back to the positive issue of promoting open carry, and stop bashing good people over petty issues. And for goodness sake please take the time to know the whole story before writing a book of broad generalizations okay?

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This thread has sounded like a JR high lunchroom all the way through, which is why Ive tried to stay away from it. Mark knows his $#!+. I took his class, and Im glad I did. I have recommended it to many, and will again, If you think hes full of it, then take the class yourself, and then speak from experience, untill then you know nothing but what was on a minute long sound bite.

As soon as I can come up with the range fee and ammo, Im going to take the class again, just as a refresher.

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I explained pretty clearly when we met, the hows and whys I got my permission slip suspended. And youre upset with the fact that I pulled a mag to show you the bullets I was carrying so you would know what I was talking about? (We were discussing different rounds.)

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Does this mean you guys aren`t gonna be hangin out anymore?

Just FYI, the 21 foot rule is not a law, it is a guideline just like 2 shots to stop, then acceleratied shots as needed. Neither of the above has ever been a part of the fact pattern of any case I know of in determining a good shoot or a bad shoot. So, "making up law" is by definition incorrect, and should therefore be ignored. However, for those who wish to believe that it is law, have fun with it.

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SecretSoldierfrs wrote:

Just FYI, the 21 foot rule is not a law, it is a guideline just like 2 shots to stop, then acceleratied shots as needed. Neither of the above has ever been a part of the fact pattern of any case I know of in determining a good shoot or a bad shoot. So, "making up law" is by definition incorrect, and should therefore be ignored. However, for those who wish to believe that it is law, have fun with it.

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I think some folks here are just mad cuz someone pisses in their cheerios every day. Even if nobody DID piss in their cheerios, they believe someone did. I think that would make me mad, too. Good thing I don't eat cheerios.

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You pulled your magazine out of your holstered gun?! IT COULD HAVE WENT OFF!! OMFG!

Beerme, seriously? Anyone that has any knowledge about firearms and their mechanisms knows this isn't a big deal to pop a mag. If you think it will, you clearly need more firearm experience. You can pop a magazine out of a gun without touching anything but the magazine release and the magazine itself. Scary ain't it? Stop acting like a damn drama queen.

It doesn't look good when other people stoop to your level now does it? Geezus.

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