stainless1911
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Beerme wrote:
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ETA jr high was fun, thanks for the nostalgia.
Beerme wrote:
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ETA jr high was fun, thanks for the nostalgia.
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Wild West Academy CPL classes
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Beerme
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stainless1911 wrote:
I OC the every day I walk my dog
I OC to work every day I work
The only reason I do not OC so much is because of the hassle of OCing without a CPL and in 5 weeks when I get mine I will OC many more places.
Not that I am afraid
I go places that sell alcohol by the bottle- Cant OC there without CPL
I go to Sports arenas- cant OC there without CPL
I go to Movie theaters - Cant OC there without CPL
I have stopped by my old high school to watch a football game a few times and I cannot OC there without a CPL and definitely cannot Conceal there which you chose to learn the hard way
So before you assume and make yourself look like more of an arrogant ass think of this.
I may not OC as much as you do but I plan where I am going and decide to OC accordingly
I may not walk around GLX every other day promoting OC like you suggest that you do.
I OC at my JOB
and when I go in public and know I am not going to somewhere that I cannot OC
I cook dinner every night and most days I do need to run to the grocery store and grab a thing or two.
There is nothing wrong with how I OC now I support it and practice it but I do THINK before I decide to carry.
stainless1911 wrote:
Actually that is not true
I OC the every day I walk my dog
I OC to work every day I work
The only reason I do not OC so much is because of the hassle of OCing without a CPL and in 5 weeks when I get mine I will OC many more places.
Not that I am afraid
I go places that sell alcohol by the bottle- Cant OC there without CPL
I go to Sports arenas- cant OC there without CPL
I go to Movie theaters - Cant OC there without CPL
I have stopped by my old high school to watch a football game a few times and I cannot OC there without a CPL and definitely cannot Conceal there which you chose to learn the hard way
So before you assume and make yourself look like more of an arrogant ass think of this.
I may not OC as much as you do but I plan where I am going and decide to OC accordingly
I may not walk around GLX every other day promoting OC like you suggest that you do.
I OC at my JOB
and when I go in public and know I am not going to somewhere that I cannot OC
I cook dinner every night and most days I do need to run to the grocery store and grab a thing or two.
There is nothing wrong with how I OC now I support it and practice it but I do THINK before I decide to carry.
stainless1911
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Beerme wrote:
I carry when I work too.
I do not allow inconvenience to take rule over my rights.
I do not patronise buisinesses which do not recognise my rights (or safety)
I do not assume that I can go to this place or that, and Ill be safe without my gun, or that it wont happen here or there, or not today, or it wont happen to me. I choose not to risk my safety in these ways. I do think about where I OC.
As far as finding out the hard way? I was aware that I could OC there, and I diddnt break any laws. The only thing that I diddnt know at the time was that I could actually enter the building armed. That was a pleasnt suprise.
the only place I go where I dont OC is Krogers, because I have no choice, and have to buy food.
Beerme wrote:
I carry when I work too.
I do not allow inconvenience to take rule over my rights.
I do not patronise buisinesses which do not recognise my rights (or safety)
I do not assume that I can go to this place or that, and Ill be safe without my gun, or that it wont happen here or there, or not today, or it wont happen to me. I choose not to risk my safety in these ways. I do think about where I OC.
As far as finding out the hard way? I was aware that I could OC there, and I diddnt break any laws. The only thing that I diddnt know at the time was that I could actually enter the building armed. That was a pleasnt suprise.
the only place I go where I dont OC is Krogers, because I have no choice, and have to buy food.
Michigander
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I am a friend of Marks, butI am all for picking faults where they can be found, because I am someone who believes in continuous quality improvement. Not that it hasn't already been addressed, but the slamming of him that has been done is a cheap shot based on a quick video which doesn't really represent his classes very well. If you want to pick faults with his advertisement not being educational enough, I can't argue, even though I don't think it's his place to educate in a quick advertising clip. However insulting him without even knowing how he teaches is quitebelow the belt and rude.
A much better option than internetflaming is to call or email a person with concerns. I would typically expect at least that much from a community as courtious as this one.
I am a friend of Marks, butI am all for picking faults where they can be found, because I am someone who believes in continuous quality improvement. Not that it hasn't already been addressed, but the slamming of him that has been done is a cheap shot based on a quick video which doesn't really represent his classes very well. If you want to pick faults with his advertisement not being educational enough, I can't argue, even though I don't think it's his place to educate in a quick advertising clip. However insulting him without even knowing how he teaches is quitebelow the belt and rude.
A much better option than internetflaming is to call or email a person with concerns. I would typically expect at least that much from a community as courtious as this one.
Hyperion
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Anyone who has ever spoken or met Mark Cortis would never be left with an impression that he is anything other than an experienced, extremely knowledgeable, soft-spoken, humble and skilled instructor who strongly supports firearm rights. In my opinion, one would be hard-pressed to find a better source of firearm training. Slamming him on this forum is unwarranted and unproductive.
I have personally received instruction and certification from Mark. Compared to other training I have received (including from nationally-recognized firearm instructors) Mark's programs are of similar quality. Mark's value to the shooting community as a member of the Oakland County Concealed Weapon Licensing Board is immeasurable. Please don't give cause to the anti's who would prefer that a member of the gun culture not inhabit the CWLB by throwing about accusations based upon some video clip.
Anyone who has ever spoken or met Mark Cortis would never be left with an impression that he is anything other than an experienced, extremely knowledgeable, soft-spoken, humble and skilled instructor who strongly supports firearm rights. In my opinion, one would be hard-pressed to find a better source of firearm training. Slamming him on this forum is unwarranted and unproductive.
I have personally received instruction and certification from Mark. Compared to other training I have received (including from nationally-recognized firearm instructors) Mark's programs are of similar quality. Mark's value to the shooting community as a member of the Oakland County Concealed Weapon Licensing Board is immeasurable. Please don't give cause to the anti's who would prefer that a member of the gun culture not inhabit the CWLB by throwing about accusations based upon some video clip.
Beerme
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Michigander wrote:
Michigander wrote:
You do understand that the video of the class is on his website to REPRESENT the class?
EDA50
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Man, this site needs a hobby.....
You guys bicker like a bunch of old ladies. How is membership these days?
Some things never change.
Man, this site needs a hobby.....
You guys bicker like a bunch of old ladies. How is membership these days?
Some things never change.
Glock9mmOldStyle
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EDA50 wrote:
EDA50 makes a good point. As a newer member I have seen a lot of squabbling and it is not a good thing in my humble opinion. If this were a closed site with tightly regulated threads it would be a different story. As it stands now many LEOs and Anti-gunners watch this site looking for "ammo" {pun intended} to use against us. Why give it to them by the truck loads? If you need to fight with each other take it to a PM or, go to team speak or if all else fails find a boxing gym somewhere and beat the snot out of each other. Just a fresh viewpoint. The "public" infighting needs to stop!
United we shall be victorious, divided we shall surely fail!
EDA50 wrote:
EDA50 makes a good point. As a newer member I have seen a lot of squabbling and it is not a good thing in my humble opinion. If this were a closed site with tightly regulated threads it would be a different story. As it stands now many LEOs and Anti-gunners watch this site looking for "ammo" {pun intended} to use against us. Why give it to them by the truck loads? If you need to fight with each other take it to a PM or, go to team speak or if all else fails find a boxing gym somewhere and beat the snot out of each other. Just a fresh viewpoint. The "public" infighting needs to stop!
United we shall be victorious, divided we shall surely fail!
autosurgeon
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I would not be surprised if some of the trouble makers here and on other sites are anti's who are working to make us look bad...
We need to try to NOT rise to the bait!
I do include myself in the WE as sometimes I forget this myself :shock:
I would not be surprised if some of the trouble makers here and on other sites are anti's who are working to make us look bad...
We need to try to NOT rise to the bait!
I do include myself in the WE as sometimes I forget this myself :shock:
stainless1911
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Couldnt agree more.
When I read the comment, "man this site need a hobby," I chucled thinking that arguing IS the sites hobby.
I took Marks class, and will again, he has helped me out several times in answering my questions after I graduated. Ive also taken one of his self defense courses, and still stand by him as a knowledgible teacher, and as a genuine human being.
Couldnt agree more.
When I read the comment, "man this site need a hobby," I chucled thinking that arguing IS the sites hobby.
I took Marks class, and will again, he has helped me out several times in answering my questions after I graduated. Ive also taken one of his self defense courses, and still stand by him as a knowledgible teacher, and as a genuine human being.
CoonDog
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Imo, it's the newer members who do most of the arguing.
Imo, it's the newer members who do most of the arguing.
Mad Hatter
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Beerme wrote:
That says a lot. That tells me you just filed your paperwork, and probably just took a class. I really hope you listened in your class better than you listened to the video. See... He said "21 foot RULE" Not "law"... Big difference there. The suggestion being it would be difficult to justify a self defense shooting of an unarmed attacker at over 21 feet. I never heard him say Law at all in that. But, I don't expect you to admit you're wrong. For some reason, You just HAD to go onto a thread that really had nothing to do with you, and saw someone saying something nice about Wild West Academy, and you just had to crap all over it.
I also like the way you were able to eloquently explain the entire course after only 5 seconds of video. I guess there's NO WAY he EVER went on to explain all of this in the five hours of class afterwards.
Dude, Get over yourself.
And in the interest of full disclosure...
I took his class, I've got tons of firearm experience and STILL found it useful. I also consider Mark a friend.
Beerme wrote:
That says a lot. That tells me you just filed your paperwork, and probably just took a class. I really hope you listened in your class better than you listened to the video. See... He said "21 foot RULE" Not "law"... Big difference there. The suggestion being it would be difficult to justify a self defense shooting of an unarmed attacker at over 21 feet. I never heard him say Law at all in that. But, I don't expect you to admit you're wrong. For some reason, You just HAD to go onto a thread that really had nothing to do with you, and saw someone saying something nice about Wild West Academy, and you just had to crap all over it.
I also like the way you were able to eloquently explain the entire course after only 5 seconds of video. I guess there's NO WAY he EVER went on to explain all of this in the five hours of class afterwards.
Dude, Get over yourself.
And in the interest of full disclosure...
I took his class, I've got tons of firearm experience and STILL found it useful. I also consider Mark a friend.
Beerme
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Mad Hatter wrote:
He did not explain that RULE as you explained it.
To people who know NOTHING about CPL laws and they see a vid that says
you shoot this way you pass
AND
you CANNOT shoot someone that is over 22 feet away from you if they do not have a gun
then there is a chance that they will take both of those as a fact.
Mad Hatter wrote:
I actually knew everything I needed to know prior to taking my class.
He did not explain that RULE as you explained it.
To people who know NOTHING about CPL laws and they see a vid that says
you shoot this way you pass
AND
you CANNOT shoot someone that is over 22 feet away from you if they do not have a gun
then there is a chance that they will take both of those as a fact.
sevenplusone
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Okay, my personal attack on him was admittedly a little much. [and has been removed]
That said, anything a CPL instructor is taken as fact and law by the majority of the students. How many times do we have to discuss something after..."Well, my CPL instructor told me.........". Far too often. He made a statement that I would imagine the majority of the class took as fact and law "I can't shoot anybody who doesn't have a gun at anything more than 21ft." That just isn't correct...and when you get paid thousands of dollars a class you shouldn't be allowed to disseminate things are opinion at best and intentionally misleading at worst.
Okay, my personal attack on him was admittedly a little much. [and has been removed]
That said, anything a CPL instructor is taken as fact and law by the majority of the students. How many times do we have to discuss something after..."Well, my CPL instructor told me.........". Far too often. He made a statement that I would imagine the majority of the class took as fact and law "I can't shoot anybody who doesn't have a gun at anything more than 21ft." That just isn't correct...and when you get paid thousands of dollars a class you shouldn't be allowed to disseminate things are opinion at best and intentionally misleading at worst.
malignity
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Beerme wrote:
Ya sure?
Say I walk into the house, and someone's raping my wife at knife point, but they're across the house, which is clearly over 22 feet.
You bet your bottom dollar that shooting that bastard is plenty fine, and any jury on this planet will agree.
Beerme wrote:
Ya sure?
Say I walk into the house, and someone's raping my wife at knife point, but they're across the house, which is clearly over 22 feet.
You bet your bottom dollar that shooting that bastard is plenty fine, and any jury on this planet will agree.
Beerme
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malignity wrote:
Read the lines above that if you dont mind making yourself look like a fool.
"He did not explain that RULE as you explained it.
To people who know NOTHING about CPL laws and they see a vid that says
you shoot this way you pass
AND
you CANNOT shoot someone that is over 22 feet away from you if they do not have a gun"
Do not try and put words in my mouth you buffoon
malignity wrote:
See now you are attacking me like an idiot and chopping my post down to make it look like I said something I did not.
Read the lines above that if you dont mind making yourself look like a fool.
"He did not explain that RULE as you explained it.
To people who know NOTHING about CPL laws and they see a vid that says
you shoot this way you pass
AND
you CANNOT shoot someone that is over 22 feet away from you if they do not have a gun"
Do not try and put words in my mouth you buffoon
Beerme
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sevenplusone wrote:
sevenplusone wrote:
And should not be able to be seen saying if you can shoot down range you pass so you can lure customers in to fill their heads with OPINIONS that will not matter in court
malignity
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Beerme wrote:
Beerme wrote:
Oh, my bad. The fact that you don't use complete sentences probably would have helped me with that determination.
stainless1911
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Beerme wrote:
Beerme wrote:
Beerme
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stainless1911 wrote:
I simply stated that he said two things that should not have been said by a CPL instructor.
If he was such a good instructor he would have made sure all of his students knew how to handle their firearm in public and where they cannot carry concealed.
I have made my point and I am done with this thread.
stainless1911 wrote:
I am doing no such thing.
I simply stated that he said two things that should not have been said by a CPL instructor.
If he was such a good instructor he would have made sure all of his students knew how to handle their firearm in public and where they cannot carry concealed.
I have made my point and I am done with this thread.