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    I don't know how many have heard this, but Hillery Clenton signed a small arms deal with the UN.

    If this goes through we cold see a lot of trouble about guns in this country.

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    On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States . The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened.



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    Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clintonis committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment. This has happened in other countries, past and present!



    THIS IS NOT A JOKE NOR A FALSE WARNING.



    As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control. Read the Article U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. View The Full Article Here



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    Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed. This is a very serious matter! Silence will lead us to Socialism!!!

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    Since many open carriers here don't respect the folks at Calguns you probably don't know, but treaties don't override the US constitution. This "treaty" has been discussed at length there.

    I seriously suggest those of you who are capable of separating the characters and issues for/against open carry on Calguns that you check it out. They are helpful and educational.

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    FUD FUD FUD!

    Treaties cannot supersede the constitution.
    Gun control isn't about guns -- it is about control.

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    I don't understand why anyone has any issues with CalGuns. We are all trying to accomplish alot of the same goals. They are informative, and helpful, and have alot of resources. I suggest we keep the peace in order to keep their help. Just my opinion.

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    Theseus wrote
    treaties don't override the US constitution.
    ...not only that but, wouldn't it also be illegal and/or treasonous, for any representative of the united states, to bind us, to an illegal commitment, that tries to overthrow the people of the united states by superseding our Constitution? I swear! If this is true, these people foolishly think our rights come to us from a piece of paper. We can't forget that even the forefathers of this country declared where our rights come from in the following:"

    (no need to read it all, unless you would like to...the more places these words are found, the better as far as i can see>

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. Butwhen a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.
    He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
    He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
    He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
    He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
    He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
    He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
    He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands.
    He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers.
    He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
    He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.
    He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislature.
    He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power.
    He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:
    For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
    For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states:
    For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world:
    For imposing taxes on us without our consent:
    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury:
    For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses:
    google_protectAndRun("ads_core.google_render_ad", google_handleError, google_render_ad); For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule in these colonies:
    For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments:
    For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
    He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.
    He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
    He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation.
    He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.
    He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
    In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
    Nor have we been wanting in attention to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends.
    We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.



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    SDPISTOLGRIP wrote:
    I don't understand why anyone has any issues with CalGuns. We are all trying to accomplish alot of the same goals. They are informative, and helpful, and have alot of resources. I suggest we keep the peace in order to keep their help. Just my opinion.
    Name calling and bashing (of UOC'rs), along with moderator(s) claiming it doesn't happen -- even while other moderators are deleting posts containing derrogatory comments.

    Can't claim something doesn't happen and then have another person go and clean up the mess.

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    I got this e-mail about 2 years ago, it's just had a couple lines changed to reflect current events.

    I doubt it's any more true now than it was then.
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    Another important note, the Declaration of Independence is not law. Although convincing, it is not enforceable as law. Now, show me where there is a law forbidding the behavior and I will hop on the wagon, but I don't know there is one.

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    It was just new to me, and thought I should let people know what kind of "Slight of hand" that might be going on, behind the scences.

    Glad we got a Constitution to protect us from, those who would try to take advantage of us.

    Although much of it has been eroded away already in court decisions.

    We will see what happens at the end of June ! Robin47

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    Robin47 wrote:
    It was just new to me, and thought I should let people know what kind of "Slight of hand" that might be going on, behind the scences.

    Glad we got a Constitution to protect us from, those who would try to take advantage of us.

    Although much of it has been eroded away already in court decisions.

    We will see what happens at the end of June ! Robin47
    No worries man. . . Sometimes things slip through. . maybe we hadn't heard of it. As I was saying above however, if you were a Calguns member you would have seen it.

    Due to the size of OCDO compared to Calguns there is a much larger throughput of information and interaction than there is here.

    Not saying bad things about OCDO, but I only come here for open carry related issues, but for current and legal issues I go to Calguns.

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    Theseus wrote:
    Another important note, the Declaration of Independence is not law. Although convincing, it is not enforceable as law. Now, show me where there is a law forbidding the behavior and I will hop on the wagon, but I don't know there is one.
    you gonna need light in your heart to see those laws.

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    Robin47 wrote:
    It was just new to me, and thought I should let people know what kind of "Slight of hand" that might be going on, behind the scences.

    Glad we got a Constitution to protect us from, those who would try to take advantage of us.

    Although much of it has been eroded away already in court decisions.

    We will see what happens at the end of June ! Robin47
    Umm, is there anything we can do now, to push the envelope? I don't want to sit around...Can we get some CA laws struck from the books? How can we do that?

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    This is getting nuts!!! This has been flying around for months, it is from Oct. 2009! Its old, and it has to do with INTERNATIONAL ARMS TRADE, not US gun control.



    FAIL....on a big level.
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    from the left side of the linked article........check the dates.









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    AND DEBUNKED!!!

    http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=5843





    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the UN Arms Trade Treaty



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    Contrary to a widely circulated e-mail, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has not signed anyUN small arms treaty. She could not have done so, in fact, because no such treaty has yet been negotiated.
    "My dedication to my country's flag rests on my ardent belief in this noblest of causes, equality for all. If my future rests under this earth rather than upon it, I fear not."

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    I am not too worried about this trumped up propaganda and paranoia.

    Should we be concerned about our government trying to restrict our second amendmant rights? Sure, but it should be approached with measured reason and not inflated hysteria.

    If the Democrats want to sign their own political death sentence, they can go ahead and make a bold and open move against gun owners. I don't think they are very smart on average but I also don't think they are nearly that stupid either.

    Gun owners are probably the last group that government wants to go head to head with right now.It would turn the country upsidedown into turmoil it hasn't seen since the Civil War. I don't even expect the rank and file police officers would heed that bidding either. At least not in the rural areas.

    I also think that half of the government, thepolice and themilitary for the most part, would choose to side with the American people if the government tried to make such a bold yet idiotic move.

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    This, like all chain e-mails, has nothing to do with the actual topic of the e-mail. The sole purpose is to collect e-mail addresses for marketing purposes.

    Ever get an email where you have to scroll down pages of "forward headers" showing scores of addresses the e-mail has been sent to in the past? Many e-mail programs even include the name of the recipient next to the address.

    This information eventually may be collected and added to databases for mass mailings.

    So, if you're tired of getting unsolicited "spam" e-mails offering everything from prescription medications to pornography... now you know how they get your e-mail address.

    So, any time ANY chain e-mail is sent to you, kindly respond to the sender informing them that they just put your address on a spammer's marketing list.

    And if you MUST forward a message, be sure to delete all the addresses included in the header, send the message to yourself, and then use the "BCC" field for the person/people you want to send it to. (BCC stands for Blind Carbon Copy, which means nobody receiving the e-mail will be able to see any of those addresses.)

    Education of the masses is the only way we'll be able to defeat the spammers.
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