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    Unloaded guns in public is 2nd Amendment Cause

    So far not a bad article. Pretty straight down the line, neither for nor against. It lacks cites to CA PC, CCW issuance problems and a few other notes.

    If you want to crap your pants laughing, just read the comments. Those people spend more time attacking each-other than really addressing the issue at hand. But, what can you say... That's Orange County
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    Sorry I posted this same story befor I found this one.

    http://m.ocregister.com/ocregister/p...tguid=mAxGAFNs

    I found this story and wanted to know what you guys thought.

    " I'll add Serrao only carried a toy gun on Sunday, something he does when debuting an open carry in a new city. "

    Why would anyone carry a toy gun?
    Can you carry a toy gun in a school zone?
    This to me is stupid and counter productive. I have started to carry every day for self defence not a political statement. Would any one here carry a toy? Are the guys in this story on this forum? If they are could they explain more about this?
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    Can anyone tell me where I can find a local contact for OpenCarry in the Orange County, CA area? Read the recent article and I would like to participate. Thanks!

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    Thunderwear (is that a banana hammock or speedo?), you can PM myself or others who have posts up for meetups in the Orange County area for more information.

    The video for this event has been posted as well:
    http://www.ocregister.com/video/?vid...1&play=now

    Enjoy!
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    While Bob did a great job delivering an almost verbatim account of my three-point reasoning to carry exposed, the fact that he carried a toy gun is certainly a 'fail'.

    This in itself was a crime, even though the constabulary appears to have let it slide.
    New to OPEN CARRY in California? Click and read this first...

    NA MALE SUBJ ON FOOT, LS NB 3 AGO HAD A HOLSTERED HANDGUN ON HIS RIGHT HIP. WAS NOT BRANDISHING THE WEAPON, BUT RP FOUND SUSPICIOUS.
    CL SUBJ IN COMPLIANCE WITH LAW


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    ConditionThree wrote:
    While Bob did a great job delivering an almost verbatim account of my three-point reasoning to carry exposed, the fact that he carried a toy gun is certainly a 'fail'.

    This in itself was a crime, even though the constabulary appears to have let it slide.
    please prvide reference to actual law or case law. This was one of my questions. Also what is the point of carrying a toy this makes us look stupid. IMO
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    http://www.thunderwear.com/

    Kind of using the Thunderwear nickname, because I carry concealed when I travel to other states.



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    ryanburbridge wrote:
    ConditionThree wrote:
    While Bob did a great job delivering an almost verbatim account of my three-point reasoning to carry exposed, the fact that he carried a toy gun is certainly a 'fail'.

    This in itself was a crime, even though the constabulary appears to have let it slide.
    please prvide reference to actual law or case law. This was one of my questions. Also what is the point of carrying a toy this makes us look stupid. IMO
    12556. (a) No person may openly display or expose any imitation
    firearm, as defined in Section 12550, in a public place.[/quote]

    California PC 12550 defined.
    As used in this article, the following definitions apply:
    (a) "BB device" is defined in subdivision (g) of Section 12001.
    (b) "Firearm" is defined in subdivision (b) of Section 12001.
    (c) "Imitation firearm" means any BB device, toy gun, replica of a
    firearm, or other device that is so substantially similar in
    coloration and overall appearance to an existing firearm as to lead a
    reasonable person to perceive that the device is a firearm.

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    ConditionThree wrote:
    This in itself was a crime if the toy gun was not brightly colored so as to be obviously a toy gun, even though the constabulary appears to have let it slide.
    Fixed.

    ETA citation:

    12555(c)
    Code:
        As used in this section, "imitation firearm" does not include
    any of the following:
    (1) A nonfiring collector's replica that is historically
    significant, and is offered for sale in conjunction with a wall
    plaque or presentation case.
    (2) A BB device, as defined in subdivision (g) of Section 12001.
    (3) A device where the entire exterior surface of the device is
    white, bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright green, bright
    blue, bright pink, or bright purple, either singly or as the
    predominant color in combination with other colors in any pattern, as
    provided by federal regulations governing imitation firearms, or
    where the entire device is constructed of transparent or translucent
    materials which permits unmistakable observation of the device's
    complete contents, as provided by federal regulations governing
    imitation firearms.
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    Thank you bad_ace and Ca_Libertarian for following up with the proper citations of code. I was not able to answer completely as I was at work.

    I also have updated "The Noobie Thread" to reflect that toys or imitation firearms are not proper equipment for open carry.
    New to OPEN CARRY in California? Click and read this first...

    NA MALE SUBJ ON FOOT, LS NB 3 AGO HAD A HOLSTERED HANDGUN ON HIS RIGHT HIP. WAS NOT BRANDISHING THE WEAPON, BUT RP FOUND SUSPICIOUS.
    CL SUBJ IN COMPLIANCE WITH LAW


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    Really wish I could vote yes on that poll. Sigh.

    Interesting how the ask if you support "open carry" at the top of the page, then at the actual poll itself they change it to "unloaded open carry". No, I don't support unloaded open carry, it's crap.

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    NightOwl wrote:
    Really wish I could vote yes on that poll. Sigh.

    Interesting how the ask if you support "open carry" at the top of the page, then at the actual poll itself they change it to "unloaded open carry". No, I don't support unloaded open carry, it's crap.
    We all support carry by any means, but we all don't have that choice, do we.

    UOC is the ONLY LEGAL MEANS I HAVE to protect myself and others in public. Until that changes, I will support and practice UOC.

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    Good article overall, and fairly decent video. I do not recommend carrying toy guns as an initial "training day" opportunity for new open carriers. Not only could this be illegal, its just bad form in my opinion and could potentially lead to unintended consequences.

    Correction to a point made in the article:
    When the Panthers walked into the state capitol building in Sacramento during the civil rights era, they carried loaded weapons – which it was legal to do.
    According to the CA State Senate Sergeant at Arms website this is not true. http://www2.senate.ca.gov/portal/sit...eantNavHistory

    1967

    Black Panthers marched into the Assembly chamber. Then Assembly Chief Sergeant-at-Arms ordered the protesters out while terrified legislators hid behind their desks. The protesters, whose guns where not loaded, complied by leaving the building. Although they were not breaking any laws at the time, the next day legislation was introduced to make it illegal to bring weapons or firearms into the State Capitol.
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    http://keepandbeararms.com/newsarchi...sp?cmd=SHOWTOP

    “It was Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, ‘prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street.’ The law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners.

    “Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. ‘I support the Brady Bill,’ he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, ‘and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay.’"
    A citizen may not be required to offer a ―good and substantial reason-- why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The rights existence is all the reason he needs.

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    Nice, my gun is on the front page!

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