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    "The National Rifle Association held its annual meeting in Charlotte, N.C., over the weekend with a pledge to be more aggressive and more organized heading into this year's midterm elections.

    The main theme was protecting Americans' right to own firearms, but the tone of many of the speeches would have been familiar to anyone listening in on Tea Party rallies held across the country over the past year.

    The NRA annual meeting is a lot of things — but first it's big. Organizers put attendance at around 70,000, with the big attraction being the massive display of firearms on the convention floor.

    Driving into town, billboards boast acres of guns and gear. It's a promise kept.

    The annual meeting also is a big-time political rally, designed to fire up the faithful and send them home to volunteer for NRA endorsed candidates — and to defeat those the NRA sees as the enemy.

    That was the message from Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and TV tough guy Chuck Norris. He spoke during an arena-sized rally, saying, "We're going to the polls on Election Day together and take our government back."

    Remember the MTV campaign to get young people to the polls called "Rock the Vote"? Norris is the honorary chairman of a new NRA ad campaign called "Trigger the Vote."

    "I hope you won't be missing in action on Election Day," he says in the ad. "Register to vote. I'm Chuck Norris and I approve this message. For more information go to Triggerthevote.org."

    This year's convention also demonstrated the NRA's interest in new technology. It includes all the usual methods: Facebook, Twitter, texting and so on.

    The challenge is to get the organization's huge membership to begin using such tools. The official NRA page on Facebook has more than 164,000 fans. That's a large number but just a fraction of its nearly 4 million members.

    Another trend emerged over the weekend — a sense that the NRA, which has long been fighting political and legislative battles, has found a new ally this year in the Tea Party movement.

    NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre spoke to a group of about 100 who attended a side meeting on the 2010 elections.

    "I'm out there every week listening to people, and I've never seen people as disgusted and upset as they are right now, wherever you go in this country," LaPierre said.

    To be sure, the highly centralized NRA and the various, sometimes disjointed, Tea Party organizations are different structurally.

    The NRA views every issue through the prism of the Second Amendment, while Tea Party groups offer a broader variety of complaints about big government. But there is a lot of overlap as well.

    "I was at a Tea Party rally in Washington, D.C., on Tax Day," said Bob Culver, 64, of Laurel, Md., who attended the NRA weekend meeting. "There were a lot of people that I recognized from the gun rights side of the issue, and there were a lot of people I didn't know. So there is a cross-pollenization, if you want to put it that way."

    Don't look for active collaboration among the different groups. Sharing at least some goals with the Tea Party movement seems to be enough for NRA leaders right now.

    They are happy to encourage any group that is anti-incumbent, and whose anti-government anger and energy can provide a boost to the NRA's cause as well."


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    "The National Rifle Association held its annual meeting in Charlotte, N.C., over the weekend with a pledge to be more aggressive and more organized heading into this year's midterm elections.

    The main theme was protecting Americans' right to own firearms, but the tone of many of the speeches would have been familiar to anyone listening in on Tea Party rallies held across the country over the past year.

    The NRA annual meeting is a lot of things — but first it's big. Organizers put attendance at around 70,000, with the big attraction being the massive display of firearms on the convention floor.

    Driving into town, billboards boast acres of guns and gear. It's a promise kept.

    The annual meeting also is a big-time political rally, designed to fire up the faithful and send them home to volunteer for NRA endorsed candidates — and to defeat those the NRA sees as the enemy.

    That was the message from Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and TV tough guy Chuck Norris. He spoke during an arena-sized rally, saying, "We're going to the polls on Election Day together and take our government back."

    Remember the MTV campaign to get young people to the polls called "Rock the Vote"? Norris is the honorary chairman of a new NRA ad campaign called "Trigger the Vote."

    "I hope you won't be missing in action on Election Day," he says in the ad. "Register to vote. I'm Chuck Norris and I approve this message. For more information go to Triggerthevote.org."

    This year's convention also demonstrated the NRA's interest in new technology. It includes all the usual methods: Facebook, Twitter, texting and so on.

    The challenge is to get the organization's huge membership to begin using such tools. The official NRA page on Facebook has more than 164,000 fans. That's a large number but just a fraction of its nearly 4 million members.

    Another trend emerged over the weekend — a sense that the NRA, which has long been fighting political and legislative battles, has found a new ally this year in the Tea Party movement.

    NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre spoke to a group of about 100 who attended a side meeting on the 2010 elections.

    "I'm out there every week listening to people, and I've never seen people as disgusted and upset as they are right now, wherever you go in this country," LaPierre said.

    To be sure, the highly centralized NRA and the various, sometimes disjointed, Tea Party organizations are different structurally.

    The NRA views every issue through the prism of the Second Amendment, while Tea Party groups offer a broader variety of complaints about big government. But there is a lot of overlap as well.

    "I was at a Tea Party rally in Washington, D.C., on Tax Day," said Bob Culver, 64, of Laurel, Md., who attended the NRA weekend meeting. "There were a lot of people that I recognized from the gun rights side of the issue, and there were a lot of people I didn't know. So there is a cross-pollenization, if you want to put it that way."

    Don't look for active collaboration among the different groups. Sharing at least some goals with the Tea Party movement seems to be enough for NRA leaders right now.

    They are happy to encourage any group that is anti-incumbent, and whose anti-government anger and energy can provide a boost to the NRA's cause as well."
    So - do you agree? Do you disagree? Were you surprised at the tack NPR took? What do you think of the way the NRA is dealing with the TEA Party, especially given the great doscontent there seems to be about the way the NRA "collaborates" with those seeking to impose or maintain gun regulations?

    Personally, I see this article as an insidious attempt to damn the NRA by association. THe rhetoric is not as vitriolic as NPR often uses when ranting about the TEA Party, but their generally liberal base knows that if a group is getting cozy with the TEA Party they (the base) are supposed to not like that group.

    Apparently NPR still thinks the NRA carries some major clout, so they did not run a ful-court press against them. But it does seem they are trying to bring them down not on the NRA's own agenda but by linking them to that horrible TEA Party.

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    Disturbing that NRA is making common cause with the likes of Glen Beck and Sarah Palin.

    An alliance about guns only would simply be a matter of complimentary views.

    But I think NRA goes to far when it embraces Beck and Palin as icons of "American Values" beyond the firearms sphere.

    Both of these voices espouse a toxic and unjustified view of US politics and the current administration.



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    Disturbing that NRA is making common cause with the likes of Glen Beck and Sarah Palin.

    An alliance about guns only would simply be a matter of complimentary views.

    But I think NRA goes to far when it embraces Beck and Palin as icons of "American Values" beyond the firearms sphere.

    Both of these voices espouse a toxic and unjustified view of US politics and the current administration.

    Pure rhetoric without any backing whatsoever.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    The Donkey wrote:
    Disturbing that NRA is making common cause with the likes of Glen Beck and Sarah Palin.

    An alliance about guns only would simply be a matter of complimentary views.

    But I think NRA goes to far when it embraces Beck and Palin as icons of "American Values" beyond the firearms sphere.

    Both of these voices espouse a toxic and unjustified view of US politics and the current administration.

    Pure rhetoric without any backing whatsoever.
    One e.g.: Palin attacking President Obama as asocialist and Beck repeatedly comparing Obama to Hitler. . . .

    Or are yousaying that Beck and Palin are exercising "pure rhetoric without any backing" . . . in which case I might be inclined to agree . . . .

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    Your statement they are toxic is rhetoric. I suppose all those Tea party bashers and statement that even Obama makes calling them Tea baggers is ok? Hypocrites.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    "Tea baggers" is a term that came from tea party members themselves.

    But it is betternot to publiclyuse terms that many people consider offensive.

    Considering the deficit, and the average total tax liability we now have (South of 10%: lowest since 1950), I am inclined to disagree that we are "Taxed Enough Already."

    I am pleased that many Tea Party Members are primarily motivated by constitutional issues, evenwhile I disagree with them about some of the specifics (scope of Art. I for example).

    My concern is that the NRA is once again veering away from the Second Amendment to align itself with what I see as a radical social movement.

    That means that the NRA will, I suppose, start lying about the administrationin regard toa whole bunch ofissues, and not just the 2nd Amendment.

    Seems to me that that is bad for the 2nd Amendment.



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    Apparently you don't own your own business?

    Less taxes? Yea right. Only because almost half don't pay taxes. The rest of us are footing the bill. I definately don't make more than $250,000 matter of fact with my industry im on the poverty level. Oh guess what under Obama I pay more tax. and can not afford to hire anyone anymore which is turning into a vicous cycle of making me and my business less viable. Hey but guess what if you are not trying to do it by the books and happen to be here illegally you still are ok.

    Umm were did you learn the Tea Bagger came from tea party?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    Apparently you don't own your own business?

    Less taxes? Yea right. Only because almost half don't pay taxes. The rest of us are footing the bill. I definately don't make more than $250,000 matter of fact with my industry im on the poverty level. Oh guess what under Obama I pay more tax. and can not afford to hire anyone anymore which is turning into a vicous cycle of making me and my business less viable. Hey but guess what if you are not trying to do it by the books and happen to be here illegally you still are ok.

    . . . .
    Did own my ownsole proprietorshipfor 14 years. Closed it and guess what? Don't pay my ownFICA anymore. Now we make more than 100 K salary, and pay less than 9% in taxes.

    Why are you payinghigher taxes under Obama? What new taxes are you paying?

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    For starters higher employee taxes.

    If this was last years tax code my brother also self employed would not have to pay any tax and break even.

    This year under new interpretations he has to pay close to $10,000.00. Oh yea he didn't make over $250,000.00 either.

    I better stop though I can rant taxes forever and this is an OC site.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    The Donkey wrote:
    Disturbing that NRA is making common cause with the likes of Glen Beck and Sarah Palin.

    An alliance about guns only would simply be a matter of complimentary views.

    But I think NRA goes to far when it embraces Beck and Palin as icons of "American Values" beyond the firearms sphere.

    Both of these voices espouse a toxic and unjustified view of US politics and the current administration.

    Toxic? How? Unjustified? How?
    nObama appoints self proclaimed Communists to advisory positions. Appoints and has advisors within the Whitehouse claiming that the "Workers of the world unite" slogan is not just a slogan anymore but the way they have to do business". He has a spiritual adviser who has self proclaimed himself as a Marxist. Has the FCC chairman stating he will make the internet a utility so he can regulate it. Golly, am I the only one here that see's backdoor regulation as a problem? Everything this administration has put through has been against the will of the people. In the hours of darkness, and the use of graft, corruption,and bribery.
    He's called Arizona's Immigration law misguided. Allowed "El Presidente" of Mexico to preach to US in a joint session of congress on how Arizona's "lo" will be racial profiling.
    Donkey, keep drinkin' the kool-aid man, cuz after they've rounded up all of us patriots, you're next.
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    Ya know, I never see the guy talking OC. He seems to merely trash folks with whom he disagrees (even though they are pro-2A) and promote a leftist agenda (despite most leftists being anti-2A). What is his purpose here? Does he support the 2A? Does he OC?

    We are what we talk about, and he never seems to talk about OC. What is his purpose here?

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    Ya know, I never see the guy talking OC. He seems to merely trash folks with whom he disagrees (even though they are pro-2A) and promote a leftist agenda (despite most leftists being anti-2A). What is his purpose here? Does he support the 2A? Does he OC?

    We are what we talk about, and he never seems to talk about OC. What is his purpose here?
    Yes, some of us have met the Donkey and he was OC'ing. He also OC'd at some political rallies during the last pres. election cycle.

    Does he do it on a daily basis? Don't know, but you can ask him. Instead of talking about him as if he isn't reading this.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    eye95 wrote:
    Ya know, I never see the guy talking OC. He seems to merely trash folks with whom he disagrees (even though they are pro-2A) and promote a leftist agenda (despite most leftists being anti-2A). What is his purpose here? Does he support the 2A? Does he OC?

    We are what we talk about, and he never seems to talk about OC. What is his purpose here?
    Yes, some of us have met the Donkey and he was OC'ing. He also OC'd at some political rallies during the last pres. election cycle.

    Does he do it on a daily basis? Don't know, but you can ask him. Instead of talking about him as if he isn't reading this.
    OK, that answers one question.

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    eye95 wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
    eye95 wrote:
    Ya know, I never see the guy talking OC. He seems to merely trash folks with whom he disagrees (even though they are pro-2A) and promote a leftist agenda (despite most leftists being anti-2A). What is his purpose here? Does he support the 2A? Does he OC?

    We are what we talk about, and he never seems to talk about OC. What is his purpose here?
    Yes, some of us have met the Donkey and he was OC'ing. He also OC'd at some political rallies during the last pres. election cycle.

    Does he do it on a daily basis? Don't know, but you can ask him. Instead of talking about him as if he isn't reading this.
    OK, that answers one question.
    Any others?

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    eye95 wrote:
    Ya know, I never see the guy talking OC. He seems to merely trash folks with whom he disagrees (even though they are pro-2A) and promote a leftist agenda (despite most leftists being anti-2A). What is his purpose here? Does he support the 2A? Does he OC?

    We are what we talk about, and he never seems to talk about OC. What is his purpose here?
    Donkey is pretty much a political hack. The only time he puts in an appearance is on political discussions.Like this thread. If he spends much time on this forum outside of political hacking, I've missed it.

    He spouts theDemocrat party view.

    First I ever saw of him was when he came to a VCDL meeting to gin up support for Webb for VA Senator (federal).

    Heattended or tried to attend a coupleRepublican events in Springfield, VA while OCing. He was asked to leave or take the gun out and come back, I forget. If he haddeveloped better credibility as an OCer I might have believed he was workingforOC. His hack history since then has pretty much convinced me he was only trying to show the Republican hypocrisy to gather support for Dems.

    Not that I am a fan of Republicans, myself. As far as I am concerned, Republicans and Democats are just two wings of the same party--The Keep Ourselves in Power Party.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Fellas,

    I just had a look at Donkey's Facebook page. I recalled his name froma previous encounter.

    On his Facebook page, under "likes" he posts "Barack Obama", "the White House", and "The Coffee Party".

    Following the link to the Coffee Party, I only scannedthe page, but there was a postclearly about racismwith a mention of Rand Paul. This wouldn't be a supportfor racism by Donkey, but more likely a Coffee Party post regurgitating the now proven false MSNBC claim that Rand Paul said, "Yes" in a context that would mean he supports racists. MSNBC has had to admit it forwarded a false copy of its transcript of its interview of Rand Paul. Also, the Coffee Party post is a seeming tie-in to thecommon liberal accusation that the TEA partiers are racist.

    This is thesort of stuff our Donkey likes.

    Just recognize the source.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    LOL:

    Nice to be remembered, Citizen: amazing what google can do, ain't it?

    Just in case you are wondering: I don't think Rand Paul is a racist.

    But I wouldn't vote for him either: among the good and sufficient reasons not to are his apparent views on civil rights law.

    And yes, I am a proud member of the democratic party and a strong supporter of the 2A.

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    SNIP Just in case you are wondering: I don't think Rand Paul is a racist.
    Translation: I'd better say something on this point so I don't lose all credibility. I'll ease into it by pretending someone might be interested.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    SNIP Just in case you are wondering: I don't think Rand Paul is a racist.
    Of course you don't. You are just willing to "like" on your facebook page a group that tries to capitalize on the false perception* created created by MSNBC that Rand Paul supportsracism.

    Thatseems to be basically your approach on this forum, too. Spout whatever to give carefully crafted impressions, rather than just declare facts and straight information so others can make up their own mind. Sorta sneak it in under their awareness. Affect their thinking without letting them knowit is occurring. Says a lotabout what you think of yourfellow man, doesn't it.



    *MSNBC has since stated that it created a false transcript of the interview.

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
    *MSNBC has since stated that it created a false transcript of the interview.

    Aren't there criminal liabilities for that? I just have to wonder why NO ONE seems willing to sue the media machine for the infinite bold faced lies they've intentionally spewed. Especially against the right, but even recently they're attacking the obozo regime as if they'd be anymore competent in the gulf than they are at anything besides fund raising. If I could muster any sympathy for the moonbat messiah, it would be over their reporting of his "handling" of a mess he has no responsibility, or competency in solving.

    Now as far as the donk's insipid remarks about Glen Beck and Palin go, they're just worn out talking points. The moonbat fringe is still focused on these enemies without understanding that their influence is slightly more than marginal. The tea party is not just a gaggle of hard right wingers who drool like moonbats at Mikhail Moore's "documentaries" to the animated rants of Glen Beck. Many of them are independents who were suckered into the moonbat messiah's BS about "finding a common ground", change, and end to partisan bickering. Obozo sold the public a centrist platform that didn't differ much from a less likeable old white man's platform. Then when he got into office, made all our problems worse, exposed his true radical leftist agenda, shut out even his lapdogs in the media, and used union thugs to promote his regressive philosophies (they're not "progressive" in that they've never resulted in any progress in the literal sence of the term) it pi$$ed off those same swing voters into getting behind a movent with a right wing agenda.

    Obozo and most of his minions have tried to avoid gun control, but we can never be anything less than vigilant when the left controls the government. In every single instance throughout history, when hard core moonbats secure power unchecked, bad, bad things happen.

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    Citizen wrote:
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    SNIP Just in case you are wondering: I don't think Rand Paul is a racist.
    Of course you don't. You are just willing to "like" on your facebook page a group that tries to capitalize on the false perception* created created by MSNBC that Rand Paul supportsracism.

    Thatseems to be basically your approach on this forum, too. Spout whatever to give carefully crafted impressions, rather than just declare facts and straight information so others can make up their own mind. Sorta sneak it in under their awareness. Affect their thinking without letting them knowit is occurring. Says a lotabout what you think of yourfellow man, doesn't it.



    *MSNBC has since stated that it created a false transcript of the interview.

    I like the Coffee Party. They are mainly about civil debate, anddiscussing positive roles for government. I think government has a positve roll to play.

    Alot of people post to their facebook page expressing their opinions: if the Coffee Party has an official opinion about Rand Paul, I am unaware of it.

    I just don't get your problem with me: I have never had reason to hide my opinions on this forum.Icare about what is said here: there is nothingsneaky about it.

    Take a look at the OP and my responses here: explain to me how I am "sneaking it in under their awareness."

    Go ahead: I enjoy reading posts about how clever I am.

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    . . .
    Now as far as the donk's insipid remarks about Glen Beck and Palin go, they're just worn out talking points. The moonbat fringe is still focused on these enemies without understanding that their influence is slightly more than marginal. The tea party is not just a gaggle of hard right wingers who drool like moonbats at Mikhail Moore's "documentaries" to the animated rants of Glen Beck. Many of them are independents who were suckered into the moonbat messiah's BS about "finding a common ground", change, and end to partisan bickering. Obozo sold the public a centrist platform that didn't differ much from a less likeable old white man's platform. Then when he got into office, made all our problems worse, exposed his true radical leftist agenda, shut out even his lapdogs in the media, and used union thugs to promote his regressive philosophies (they're not "progressive" in that they've never resulted in any progress in the literal sence of the term) it pi$$ed off those same swing voters into getting behind a movent with a right wing agenda.

    . . .
    I really doubt that the Tea Parties are heavily populated with disillusioned Obama voters.

    But we both are in agreementon this at least:Beck is a moonbat.

    IfPalin wasso marginal in the Tea Party organizations, they would stop inviting her to their rallies.

    I think she represents a significant part of the movement: a sort of religious no-nothingism that is deeply suspicious of any political thinkingthat cannot be summarized on the palm of one's hand.

    Myquery however is this: why do you thinkthe NRA invited these two clowns to its keynote forum on "AmericanValues?"

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    Janine Garafalo and Al Gore had previous commitments?

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