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SNIP Just in case you are wondering: I don't think Rand Paul is a racist.
Translation: I'd better say something on this point so I don't lose all credibility. I'll ease into it by pretending someone might be interested.
 

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SNIP Just in case you are wondering: I don't think Rand Paul is a racist.
Of course you don't. You are just willing to "like" on your facebook page a group that tries to capitalize on the false perception* created created by MSNBC that Rand Paul supportsracism.

Thatseems to be basically your approach on this forum, too. Spout whatever to give carefully crafted impressions, rather than just declare facts and straight information so others can make up their own mind. Sorta sneak it in under their awareness. Affect their thinking without letting them knowit is occurring. Says a lotabout what you think of yourfellow man, doesn't it.



*MSNBC has since stated that it created a false transcript of the interview.
 

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*MSNBC has since stated that it created a false transcript of the interview.


Aren't there criminal liabilities for that? I just have to wonder why NO ONE seems willing to sue the media machine for the infinite bold faced lies they've intentionally spewed. Especially against the right, but even recently they're attacking the obozo regime as if they'd be anymore competent in the gulf than they are at anything besides fund raising. If I could muster any sympathy for the moonbat messiah, it would be over their reporting of his "handling" of a mess he has no responsibility, or competency in solving.

Now as far as the donk's insipid remarks about Glen Beck and Palin go, they're just worn out talking points. The moonbat fringe is still focused on these enemies without understanding that their influence is slightly more than marginal. The tea party is not just a gaggle of hard right wingers who drool like moonbats at Mikhail Moore's "documentaries" to the animated rants of Glen Beck. Many of them are independents who were suckered into the moonbat messiah's BS about "finding a common ground", change, and end to partisan bickering. Obozo sold the public a centrist platform that didn't differ much from a less likeable old white man's platform. Then when he got into office, made all our problems worse, exposed his true radical leftist agenda, shut out even his lapdogs in the media, and used union thugs to promote his regressive philosophies (they're not "progressive" in that they've never resulted in any progress in the literal sence of the term) it pi$$ed off those same swing voters into getting behind a movent with a right wing agenda.

Obozo and most of his minions have tried to avoid gun control, but we can never be anything less than vigilant when the left controls the government. In every single instance throughout history, when hard core moonbats secure power unchecked, bad, bad things happen.
 

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The Donkey wrote:
SNIP Just in case you are wondering: I don't think Rand Paul is a racist.
Of course you don't. You are just willing to "like" on your facebook page a group that tries to capitalize on the false perception* created created by MSNBC that Rand Paul supportsracism.

Thatseems to be basically your approach on this forum, too. Spout whatever to give carefully crafted impressions, rather than just declare facts and straight information so others can make up their own mind. Sorta sneak it in under their awareness. Affect their thinking without letting them knowit is occurring. Says a lotabout what you think of yourfellow man, doesn't it.



*MSNBC has since stated that it created a false transcript of the interview.


I like the Coffee Party. They are mainly about civil debate, anddiscussing positive roles for government. I think government has a positve roll to play.

Alot of people post to their facebook page expressing their opinions: if the Coffee Party has an official opinion about Rand Paul, I am unaware of it.

I just don't get your problem with me: I have never had reason to hide my opinions on this forum.Icare about what is said here: there is nothingsneaky about it.

Take a look at the OP and my responses here: explain to me how I am "sneaking it in under their awareness."

Go ahead: I enjoy reading posts about how clever I am.
 

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Now as far as the donk's insipid remarks about Glen Beck and Palin go, they're just worn out talking points. The moonbat fringe is still focused on these enemies without understanding that their influence is slightly more than marginal. The tea party is not just a gaggle of hard right wingers who drool like moonbats at Mikhail Moore's "documentaries" to the animated rants of Glen Beck. Many of them are independents who were suckered into the moonbat messiah's BS about "finding a common ground", change, and end to partisan bickering. Obozo sold the public a centrist platform that didn't differ much from a less likeable old white man's platform. Then when he got into office, made all our problems worse, exposed his true radical leftist agenda, shut out even his lapdogs in the media, and used union thugs to promote his regressive philosophies (they're not "progressive" in that they've never resulted in any progress in the literal sence of the term) it pi$$ed off those same swing voters into getting behind a movent with a right wing agenda.

. . .
I really doubt that the Tea Parties are heavily populated with disillusioned Obama voters.

But we both are in agreementon this at least:Beck is a moonbat.

IfPalin wasso marginal in the Tea Party organizations, they would stop inviting her to their rallies.

I think she represents a significant part of the movement: a sort of religious no-nothingism that is deeply suspicious of any political thinkingthat cannot be summarized on the palm of one's hand.

Myquery however is this: why do you thinkthe NRA invited these two clowns to its keynote forum on "AmericanValues?"
 

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PrayingForWar wrote:
Citizen wrote:
Now as far as the donk's insipid remarks about Glen Beck and Palin go, they're just worn out talking points. The moonbat fringe is still focused on these enemies without understanding that their influence is slightly more than marginal. The tea party is not just a gaggle of hard right wingers who drool like moonbats at Mikhail Moore's "documentaries" to the animated rants of Glen Beck. Many of them are independents who were suckered into the moonbat messiah's BS about "finding a common ground", change, and end to partisan bickering. Obozo sold the public a centrist platform that didn't differ much from a less likeable old white man's platform. Then when he got into office, made all our problems worse, exposed his true radical leftist agenda, shut out even his lapdogs in the media, and used union thugs to promote his regressive philosophies (they're not "progressive" in that they've never resulted in any progress in the literal sence of the term) it pi$$ed off those same swing voters into getting behind a movent with a right wing agenda.

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I really doubt that the Tea Parties are heavily populated with disillusioned Obama voters.

But we both are in agreementon this at least:Beck is a moonbat.

IfPalin wasso marginal in the Tea Party organizations, they would stop inviting her to their rallies.

I think she represents a significant part of the movement: a sort of religious no-nothingism that is deeply suspicious of any political thinkingthat cannot be summarized on the palm of one's hand.

Myquery however is this: why do you thinkthe NRA invited these two clowns to its keynote forum on "AmericanValues?"

Your programming will not allow you to see that many tea party people are independents, I said nothing about "heavily populated" or people who were fooled by the moonbat messiah.

No donk, we are not in agreement. You might considerBeck a "wingnut", but the moonbat moniker is used to disparage the bed wetting liberals.

Palin and Beck are marginally influencial on a national perspective, even if they're adored by the entire tea party movement, neither have swayed anyone oppinions. They've merely echoed the oppinions that an increasing amount of Americans are subscribing too. Thesebeliefs are as old as politics itself.

I think the democrat party illustrates "a sort of religious no-nothingism that is deeply suspicious of any political thinkingthat cannot be summarized on the palm of one's hand." For instance, "progressivism" that in the 1920's inspired the creation of the National Socialist Workers Party, Bolshevism, The Fascists, and several other murderous "people's movements" have all failed to bring any equality to people besides misery, poverty, starvation and an elite class to rule their proles. Your political philosophy has been tried, ad nauseum, with horrific results on several occasions, yet the liberals cling to them as if they could somehow do better.

Liberty and Capitalism has always worked. The results may not be perfect, but they certainly helped our country go from a meager cluster of colonial territories to the richest and most powerful country on earth. Unfortunately, "progressivism" has continued to chip away at our foundations, and we've become an empire in decline. This is increasingly clear to people who've been "centrist" for many years, and their anger at a regime who passed itself off as centrist is too little too late.It will take decades to fix the damage the moonbat messiah and his minions have caused.



Why doI thinkthe NRA invited these Beck and Palin to its keynote forum on "AmericanValues?"

Probably because they more accurately reflect the values of the majority of people than Rosie O'donnel and Chris Matthews, or any other liberal for that matter.
 

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There you go again: that revisionist narrative that seeksto blame the democrats for the Nazis, or associate them with fascism.

Historically, the Nazis were rooted in the Freicorps: a militarist/nationalist movement that thrived on the economic chaos consuming germany after it lost WWI.

The Freicorps and Naziswere fundamentally opposed to the socialists and communists of their time.

They were anti-democratic fascists who subscribed to the "leader" principle.

It impoverishes debate to compare republicans and democrats to Nazis, whoseideology was anathema to both parties.



The NRA seeks to align itself with the social movement that it associates with Beck and Palin. But Beck and Palin do not by any means represent "majority" values. The NRA has once againmarginalized itself -- and given comfort to those who minimize the Second Amendment.
 

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I can't believe I'm about to do this, but:


- All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.
- The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.

Therefore we demand:

- That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
- Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
- We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
- We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
- We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
- We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
- We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
Which party would this platform fit best in?
 

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Take a look at the whole of the 1920 Nazi program, not just a few lines.

Ittakes a boundless stretch of rhetoric toattribute this monstrosity to either party.
 

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The Donkey wrote:
Take a look at the whole of the 1920 Nazi program, not just a few lines.

Ittakes a boundless stretch of rhetoric toattribute this monstrosity to either party.

Donk, that's hogwash and you know it. For years the left has been making that comparison knowing full well that "progressive" philosophies inspired european and American fascists alike. Mussolini was refered to as a "lion of socialism" for example. There is no lucid arguement that can be made to refute the fact that these political parties were anything but leftist authortarianism. The soviets were just harder left. The reason the fascists and communists struggled against each other is simple. They both appealed to the same common demoninator, so of course a power struggle ensued.

Now obviously the democrat party is not that evil as a whole, but I do not doubt for a second that if they had complete control they would quickly become that evil.

Whether you like it or not, we're still a center/right country. Thanks too the moonbat messiah'sincompetence and the absolute arrogance of his comrades, more people are discovering what conservative values really are, because they clearly do not like liberal ones. That's why your ilk so despise Beck, Palin, Limbaugh etc. They're saying things that a lot of people agree with, and they've shown that it's the left that's consumed with gaining power, and seething with hatred.
 

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Take another look at Hitler's/NSDAP's 25 point plan, partially referenced by "hightecrebel" above.

You will find a vigorous reassertion of nationalism and territorial expansionism in foreign policye.g.:

"1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.

2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population."



You will find a"rugged" stand against illegal aliens (and those perceived as such), e.g.:

"4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.

6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen. . . .

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately."



You will find a populist sentiment that is deeply suspicious of the existing party structure:

“We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.”



And deeply suspicious of a free and independent press:

“23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:

(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.

(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.

(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.

Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.”





I hate to break it to you “PrayingforWar” but these are sentiments that have long been associated with the Right of the political spectrum.

Now, if I wanted, I could also cherry pick leftwing sentiments from the Nazi program. For example that passage “highcrebel” excerpted regarding old age pensions . . .

I wonder: does the fact that Hitler pandered to the old make you feel any different about old age pensions?

What about Hitler’s sentiments on immigration? Make you feel a bit brown?

Don’t you think that it would be better that people stop trying to caricature each other as Nazis and Stalinists, and have a civil discourse that seeks to better understand each other and each other’s positions?
 
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It is my not so humble and absolutely NOT politically correct opinion that ........

Leftists, oh so cutely called "Progressives" today, have engaged in mental masturbation for so long they really have gone blind to the real world.
 

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Bikenut wrote:
It is my not so humble and absolutely NOT politically correct opinion that ........

Leftists, oh so cutely called "Progressives" today, have engaged in mental masturbation for so long they really have gone blind to the real world.
The American Progressives were enamored of the fascists and Nazis in Europe--until their atrocities started to become popularly known. Suddenly, spectral models were rearranged to put fascists and Nazis on the right, so that leftist progressives could distance themselves from those they once supported.

Fascists and Nazis have more in common with today's left than with today's right. Progressives, fascists, and Nazis all believe that power should be vested with the enlightened few for the good of the masses and that individual rights interfere with that vestment.

Unfortunately, history keeps proving that the common good as a goal gives way to blind power and that the real way to achieve the common good is through Liberty.
 
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eye95 wrote:
Bikenut wrote:
It is my not so humble and absolutely NOT politically correct opinion that ........

Leftists, oh so cutely called "Progressives" today, have engaged in mental masturbation for so long they really have gone blind to the real world.
The American Progressives were enamored of the fascists and Nazis in Europe--until their atrocities started to become popularly known. Suddenly, spectral models were rearranged to put fascists and Nazis on the right, so that leftist progressives could distance themselves from those they once supported.

Fascists and Nazis have more in common with today's left than with today's right. Progressives, fascists, and Nazis all believe that power should be vested with the enlightened few for the good of the masses and that individual rights interfere with that vestment.

Unfortunately, history keeps proving that the common good as a goal gives way to blind power and that the real way to achieve the common good is through Liberty.
Yep... History has already proven over and over what is best for mankind... and it is Liberty and Freedom from oppression by a ruling class.

But I was just expressing my disgust with the mental masturbatory supposedly intellectual smug elitist arguments put forth by those Leftist "Progressives".... as if anyone with half an ounce of common sense can't see right through the arrogance.

Ever listen to an elitist argue their position? They talk all around the issue hoping you will absorb their implications and pie in the sky empty talk by osmosis... and be wowed by the obvious superiority of their clever intellect and bow down before your "betters".

Makes me wanna puke.
 

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eye95 wrote:
Bikenut wrote:
It is my not so humble and absolutely NOT politically correct opinion that ........

Leftists, oh so cutely called "Progressives" today, have engaged in mental masturbation for so long they really have gone blind to the real world.
The American Progressives were enamored of the fascists and Nazis in Europe--until their atrocities started to become popularly known. Suddenly, spectral models were rearranged to put fascists and Nazis on the right, so that leftist progressives could distance themselves from those they once supported.

Fascists and Nazis have more in common with today's left than with today's right. Progressives, fascists, and Nazis all believe that power should be vested with the enlightened few for the good of the masses and that individual rights interfere with that vestment.

Unfortunately, history keeps proving that the common good as a goal gives way to blind power and that the real way to achieve the common good is through Liberty.
Actually the American Left was cool with Hitler until he attacked Russia and betrayed their patron saint, his rival butcher Josef Stalin. As to anti-semitism, the Left has an anti-Jewish streak a mile wide running through it (although Mussolini was not much of an anti-semite, and indeed some of the worst Leftists - like Reinhard Heydrich - were either openly or secretly Jewish.
 

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Alexcabbie wrote:
eye95 wrote:
Bikenut wrote:
It is my not so humble and absolutely NOT politically correct opinion that ........

Leftists, oh so cutely called "Progressives" today, have engaged in mental masturbation for so long they really have gone blind to the real world.
The American Progressives were enamored of the fascists and Nazis in Europe--until their atrocities started to become popularly known. Suddenly, spectral models were rearranged to put fascists and Nazis on the right, so that leftist progressives could distance themselves from those they once supported.

Fascists and Nazis have more in common with today's left than with today's right. Progressives, fascists, and Nazis all believe that power should be vested with the enlightened few for the good of the masses and that individual rights interfere with that vestment.

Unfortunately, history keeps proving that the common good as a goal gives way to blind power and that the real way to achieve the common good is through Liberty.
Actually the American Left was cool with Hitler until he attacked Russia and betrayed their patron saint, his rival butcher Josef Stalin. As to anti-semitism, the Left has an anti-Jewish streak a mile wide running through it (although Mussolini was not much of an anti-semite, and indeed some of the worst Leftists - like Reinhard Heydrich - were either openly or secretly Jewish.

The so called left in this country has a horrible track record when dealing with different "ethnicities". All the way up through to the Kennedy's. JFK was not pro civil rights contrary to some history books.

Progressive is not a striclty "left" or democratic party ideology. Theodore Roosevelt many republicans hero wasvery progressive and done much damage to liberty in this country. I myself would even bring it back further to Abraham Lincoln who made the major push for more Federal control of this country.

We are notor never intended to be a "Democracy". The founding fathers despised democracy and realized that it brings about tyranny too. Yep and those progressives who believe in "democracy" have been steadily bringing us tyranny.

We are not a center/right country when both the Dems and the Repubs are very far left of center. Most people I encounter besides a few pet peave issues are actually fairly libertarian/constitutionally minded.

History both in the past and recently has showed us how enamoured the "left" is with communism and socialism. FDR used to refer to Stalin as "Uncle Joe.
 

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The Donkey wrote:
Take another look at Hitler's/NSDAP's 25 point plan, partially referenced by "hightecrebel" above.

You will find a vigorous reassertion of nationalism and territorial expansionism in foreign policye.g.:

"1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.

2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population."

Do you have a problem with self determination? While liberals are known for their statist positions, you're not sitting here attempting to argue that the nazis persued a "principle of self-determination of all peoples" are you? Doesn't seem to me that rounding people up and putting them in camps promotes that principle, and FDR certainly was no nazi, but he definately is a hero of the modern left. Seems to me suppression of individual will is a chronic knee jerk left wing reaction to resistance of their agenda, or simply a result of their paranoia.

You will find a"rugged" stand against illegal aliens (and those perceived as such), e.g.:

"4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.

6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen. . . .

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately."

First of all, NO ONE on the right is suggesting or even hinting that anyone is denied citizenship, or entrance to our country based on any individual's traits or origin. The only thing being demanded is that THE LAWS IN PLACE BE ENFORCED.
Second of all the nazi's DID NOTmaintain a policy that the"right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong(s) only to citizens" for very long after the public foolishly electednazis. I have never heard the right "demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich" I have heard this from the left, and to argue that people who illegally invaded the country be allowed publicly funded subsistance is beyond left wing, it just down right idiocy.


You will find a populist sentiment that is deeply suspicious of the existing party structure:

“We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.”

Are you implying that political positions or government bureaucratic jobs handed out to friends or relatives regardless of competence is a good thing? As evil as the nazi's may have been, no one can lucidly argue that this policy is somehow harmful to society.

And deeply suspicious of a free and independent press:

“23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:

(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.

(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.

(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.

Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.”


So the left's attempts to stifle talk radio, and demonizeFOX News, and marginalize everyone with a different oppinion is their glaring support for a free press?


I hate to break it to you “PrayingforWar” but these are sentiments that have long been associated with the Right of the political spectrum. I'd hate to break it to you donk, but I think I've adequately addressed how these sentiments are not shared by the right, and that the worst of these sentiments have been practiced by the left, even FDR. Furthermore, for whatever sentiments regarding immigration you could draw some convoluted paralells too, the majority of Americans concur that unchecked illegal immigration is a threat to the public, the left worries about the welfareof themselves and the state. Since the left clearly feels it will benefit from illegal alien votes, it attempts to demonize any dissent as "bigotry, racism, fascism" blah blah blah. It's a capital FAIL.


Now, if I wanted, I could also cherry pick leftwing sentiments from the Nazi program. For example that passage “highcrebel” excerpted regarding old age pensions . . .

I wonder: does the fact that Hitler pandered to the old make you feel any different about old age pensions?

What about Hitler’s sentiments on immigration? Make you feel a bit brown?

Don’t you think that it would be better that people stop trying to caricature each other as Nazis and Stalinists, and have a civil discourse that seeks to better understand each other and each other’s positions?


I wonder, how can you ignore the facts so flippantly? We are not "cherry picking" anything, we are using the entire historical facts here. The points you've raised are shallow at best. Do you not see any parallel between the "hope and change" and promises to sustain the masses through the taxation of the wealthy with obozo and hitler?

Sure, I would like it if the left never started that arguement in the first place, and I find it rather funny how it's no longer constructive to a civil discourse they never wanted in the first place. I understand the left's position. I was a liberal in my youth. The left seeks power, period. They are not interested in understanding our positions. It has been explained to them, over and over. We've compromised ourselves into a corner. The left never gives up ground, only those of us who value freedom do. They've won the last presidential election through absolute fraud, in that obozo claimed to be something he clearly is not. I won't even get into ACORN or the dems registering peopleto votein graveyards, at homeless shelters, or without legal documents



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Aprogramming note:

The original OP was about the NRA pandering to the Tea Partiers by inviting Palin and Beck to speak at its annual convention's fora on "American Values."

It may seem that we have gotten far afield, as the conversation has turned once again to the oft assertedcomparison between Obama and Hitler.

And yet, it is not so: during his speech to the NRA convention (available at the NRA's website) Glen Beck was making the same types of comparisons.

Perhaps indirectly: he said he was sick and tired of being called a Nazi "because that's not the right." But he went on -- suggesting that is the left.

Europe, he said, is about to decend into a fight between Nazis and Communists.

America, he said, is being run by "free love, smoking dope, sex in the mud hippies." That is --free love, smoking dope, sex in the mud, hippy, revolutionary marxist, Nazis -- I suppose.

Louis Black hilariously suggests that Glen Beck suffers from Nazi Tourettes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1s4fj-5zlk

Its catching.
 
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