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    Ok lets say i am cc'ing i get into a fist fight with someone defending myself can i get in trouble for fighting while having my pistol on me?
    In a situation when seconds count-The police will be there in minutes.

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    good question, because this almost happened to me this weekend

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    Recoil88 wrote:
    Ok lets say i am cc'ing i get into a fist fight with someone defending myself can i get in trouble for fighting while having my pistol on me?
    kyleplusitunes wrote:
    good question, because this almost happened to me this weekend
    Did/do you pull out the gun? Did/does the other guy know you have a gun?

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    HankT wrote:
    Recoil88 wrote:
    Ok lets say i am cc'ingÂ* i get into a fist fight with someone defending myself can i get in trouble for fighting while having my pistol on me?
    kyleplusitunes wrote:
    good question, because this almost happened to me this weekend
    Did/do you pull out the gun? Did/does the other guy know you have a gun?
    Hank, Just curious about where you assume "fist fight defending self" = someone pulled their gun?

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    kyleplusitunes wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    Recoil88 wrote:
    Ok lets say i am cc'ing i get into a fist fight with someone defending myself can i get in trouble for fighting while having my pistol on me?
    kyleplusitunes wrote:
    good question, because this almost happened to me this weekend
    Did/do you pull out the gun? Did/does the other guy know you have a gun?
    Hank, Just curious about where you assume "fist fight defending self" = someone pulled their gun?
    Actually, these are important questions to the situation. For what it's worth, I assumed no on the first one, but what's the answer to the second one? If the other guy knows, there is potential for a bogus charge. I'd like to think such a bogus charge would be seen through by a smart officer, but...
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    kyleplusitunes wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    Recoil88 wrote:
    Ok lets say i am cc'ing i get into a fist fight with someone defending myself can i get in trouble for fighting while having my pistol on me?
    kyleplusitunes wrote:
    good question, because this almost happened to me this weekend
    Did/do you pull out the gun? Did/does the other guy know you have a gun?
    Hank, Just curious about where you assume "fist fight defending self" = someone pulled their gun?
    Would you please highlight where he assumed someone pulled a gun, I am missing that part of his post in my reading.

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    Recoil88 wrote:
    Ok lets say i am cc'ingÂ* i get into a fist fight with someone defending myself can i get in trouble for fighting while having my pistol on me?

    If you have a CPL then there are no problems as far as the firearm is concerned.

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    I was just thinking about this yesterday. I cc so no one knows i am carrying if someone tried to start a fight of course i would try to calm the situation down and avoid it completely. Because i would want to avoid a situation in which someone if they see i have my gun in a scuffle would try to take it. This is just a cc question though because im sure ifsomeone were oc'ing no onewould be trying to start trouble unless they were under the influence of something.


    In a situation when seconds count-The police will be there in minutes.

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    JMO

    If it were me, I would first try to calm things down. If I see there is no way to deescalate the situation; I would back away and inform them that I am armed and fully able to protect myself. Should they continue, I would grab my cell and be prepared to immediately call 911.

    After all...someone has to do the report.

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    So in this hypothetical fight, why haven't you pulled out your weapon?

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    I would never pull it out unless the threat called for it. Words can't cause you great bodily harm.

    IF.... they continue after I have informed them that I am armed; then I pull it while I dial 911.

    Pulling it without eminent danger may cost you a brandishing charge.

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    Savage.Detroit wrote:
    So in this hypothetical fight, why haven't you pulled out your weapon?
    Sorry, I meant this question for the original poster. He is in a 'fist fight', 'defending himself' and has a pistol concealed. He may draw his weapon if he believes that great bodily harm is imminent and maybe he should draw his weapon so (1) he may be able to deescalate and (2) might have the weapon taken or dropped in the fight.

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    I see, no problem. Yes, he should have drawn, before physical contact was made.

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    If the weapon is drawn, would you still make a police call? I think it might be a good idea because the other person could call the police and tell a different story of a crazy man with a gun. Whatcha think?

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    I think (my opinion) that any time the gun comes out for any reason then you should be the first to make the 911 call. He who calls first has more credibility than he who calls last.
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    Most definitely, CYA....

    Even if drawn and on target, I would call. Having a record of the event as it goes down helps support my decision to draw.

    And as I posted, if all goes south; somebody has to make out the report.

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    Bikenut wrote:
    I think (my opinion) that any time the gun comes out for any reason then you should be the first to make the 911 call. He who calls first has more credibility than he who calls last.
    Absolutely!

    If it's serious enough to pull out a pistola in public, it's serious enough to report to 911.

    Anybody who doesn't is hiding something. Not a good thing....

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    "Obviously, this is yetanother case supporting HankT's Postulate of Civilian Self-Defense© which is, for anyone who has forgotten, is:

    It is a bad strategy to shoot an unarmed person."

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    "Obviously, this is yetanother case supporting HankT's Postulate of Civilian Self-Defense© which is, for anyone who has forgotten, is:

    It is a bad strategy to shoot an unarmed person."
    Where is the "puke" emoticon?:what:
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    ROFL :celebrate

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    Personally, if I am carrying, I will avoid a fist fight at all costs.

    I've gotten into a near fight before with 4 guys who were following us and giving googly eyes to my fiance, and being that I carry a spare magazine, I pulled my magazine out of my pocket, and semi-pointed it at them explaining that I have 27 reasons that they may want to reconsider leaving us alone.

    They changed their minds right quick, and it completely diffused the situation. There are almost ALWAYS ways to avoid fights and diffuse situations without fighting.
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    If you got into a justifiable fight while armed, and diddnt shoot, or draw, IMO, you would be congratulated for showing the responsibility and restraint for not just resorting to your gun, and being able to maintain well enough to act this way. A gun is a tool of last resort, if theres a way to solve the conflict without it, then by all means, leave the gun out of the conflict.

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    27 that's all? LOL! You are getting near my 32...we are talking one mag right? :P

    just kidding mal...rock out with your Glock out!

    malignity wrote:
    Personally, if I am carrying, I will avoid a fist fight at all costs.

    I've gotten into a near fight before with 4 guys who were following us and giving googly eyes to my fiance, and being that I carry a spare magazine, I pulled my magazine out of my pocket, and semi-pointed it at them explaining that I have 27 reasons that they may want to reconsider leaving us alone.

    They changed their minds right quick, and it completely diffused the situation. There are almost ALWAYS ways to avoid fights and diffuse situations without fighting.
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    When I took my cpl class the lawyer in our class said if you pull your gun make sure you dial 911 before the BG. If the BG runs and call 911 first, that makes him the victim, at least until the GG can prove otherwise. I know I don`t want to test the waters about this. Just a thought!

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    When I took my cpl class the lawyer in our class said if you pull your gun make sure you dial 911 before the BG. If the BG runs and call 911 first, that makes him the victim, at least until the GG can prove otherwise. I know I don`t want to test the waters about this. Just a thought!

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