DPD shoot 7 year old girl

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kryptonian wrote:

bossbart wrote:

If what Feiger said today at a news conference is true then DPD is trying to cover something up, I wouldn't think he would say this if he didn't have solid proof. Makes u wonder

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not to diminish the loss of that poor innocent girl or the grief of her family i have to spread some blame around evenly. why isn't the family placing any blame on the murder suspect that brought the police there in the first place? in a duplex the police would have to include the other occupied house if it had access in the search warrant. the police lost a fine officer very recently in a similar raid and understandably cautious. in a raid like that the entry team has one objective - go in and get everybody on the ground. they then disarm and determine identities. if the grandmother ignored lawful orders of uniformed (raid jacketed) officers and resisted causing physical contact with the officer when the gun discharged then she can share some blame.
i don't know who contacted who in the feiger law office. he has been known to jump into a case himself. the body wasn't even cold and the family was crying for law suits. they took time out of their very fresh mourning to determine a dollar value on her life. it would be months before i could even think about anything like that. feiger goes for money and/or noteriety. his favorite target is DPD. he KNOWS wayne county juries are notoriously generous for handing out civil money awards. police know it too and settle out of court. i've seen feiger and dr. jack kervorkian eating at coney island down the street from his southfield office. watching him right now on fox national news. unrelated side note - his head is HUGE!! how does he hold it up? looked like mt. rushmore. dr. k left his sweater on the chair and i gave it to him. that my claim to fame. al pacino looks very close to him in the movie by the way. i have a whole soapbox about feiger but i'll just say sorry for his loss - his brother died recently (lead singer of The Knack - My Sharona)
i'm reminded of the malice green case. on crack he fought with detectives and tried to grab their guns when accidentally shot. officers didn't get a jury of their peers - got a jury of his peers. both officers went to prison. family made malice to be such a saint. think they got $5 mil and family that didn't see him for years fought over money.
just my opinion. take it as that.

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I hope you were being funny. Feiger will say anything to get attention,facts don't mean a thing to him when there is a microphone in his face.

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/WorldNews/...na-jones-died-raid-attorney/story?id=10677976

here's what feiger said

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if they were trying a cover-up this is the worst attempt ever at it. they would have denied an accidental shot, they wouldn't think about it with a documentary film crew with them, and wouldn't have held a press conference admitting it. next step would be to shift blame on the occupants as lawless entities. i don't smell a cover-up i smell a department hunkering down to take some legal abuse and minimizing the culpable liability. victims will continue to pile up on this one.

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maustin195 wrote:

kryptonian wrote:

bossbart wrote:

If what Feiger said today at a news conference is true then DPD is trying to cover something up, I wouldn't think he would say this if he didn't have solid proof. Makes u wonder

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not to diminish the loss of that poor innocent girl or the grief of her family i have to spread some blame around evenly. why isn't the family placing any blame on the murder suspect that brought the police there in the first place? in a duplex the police would have to include the other occupied house if it had access in the search warrant. the police lost a fine officer very recently in a similar raid and understandably cautious. in a raid like that the entry team has one objective - go in and get everybody on the ground. they then disarm and determine identities. if the grandmother ignored lawful orders of uniformed (raid jacketed) officers and resisted causing physical contact with the officer when the gun discharged then she can share some blame.
i don't know who contacted who in the feiger law office. he has been known to jump into a case himself. the body wasn't even cold and the family was crying for law suits. they took time out of their very fresh mourning to determine a dollar value on her life. it would be months before i could even think about anything like that. feiger goes for money and/or noteriety. his favorite target is DPD. he KNOWS wayne county juries are notoriously generous for handing out civil money awards. police know it too and settle out of court. i've seen feiger and dr. jack kervorkian eating at coney island down the street from his southfield office. watching him right now on fox national news. unrelated side note - his head is HUGE!! how does he hold it up? looked like mt. rushmore. dr. k left his sweater on the chair and i gave it to him. that my claim to fame. al pacino looks very close to him in the movie by the way. i have a whole soapbox about feiger but i'll just say sorry for his loss - his brother died recently (lead singer of The Knack - My Sharona)
i'm reminded of the malice green case. on crack he fought with detectives and tried to grab their guns when accidentally shot. officers didn't get a jury of their peers - got a jury of his peers. both officers went to prison. family made malice to be such a saint. think they got $5 mil and family that didn't see him for years fought over money.
just my opinion. take it as that.

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I hope you were being funny. Feiger will say anything to get attention,facts don't mean a thing to him when there is a microphone in his face.

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X2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:banghead:

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No-knock warrants is one of the single worst ideas ever in a "right to bear arms" society. If police are so concerned for their own safety, they shouldn't be executing no-knock warrants. This is an excellent case-in-point and there have been many others. NO-KNOCKS GET PEOPLE KILLED, period! This was a duplex - two individual apartments. How many times have warrants been executed at the wrong address or house? Countless times!! ...And giving them the go-ahead to execute no-knocks, when there's always a chance of it being the wrong f**king house, is reckless.

This was admittedly a no-knock raid, yet, the DPD says they announced themselves. Contradiction? Me thinks so. The DPD said the gun discharged upon "struggling" or, maybe it was a "collision" with a resident. Which is it, a struggle or a collision? Answer? NEITHER! Video footage shows them shooting into the home from the front porch... after neighbors supposedly told the police that there were children in the home and even pointed out the toys in the yard. That leads me to ask WHAT THE HELL????

There's only one aspect of this that I just can't iron out... the girl sleeping on the couch after the flash/bang grenade was thrown in? Here's my take... which IS speculation and I realize that, but here it is anyway...we'll place our bets and find out in the end. My take: the grenade was thrown thru the window, supposedly landed on the girl sleeping on the couch. Immediately after the grenage went off, at least one officer opened fire into the house from the porch, striking the sleeping girl in the head(/neck). The team entered and were immediately confronted by grandma and dad, freaking out over the commotion and upon seeing their daughter/granddaughter shot and dying on the couch, and an officer grappled with the grandmother. The rest is moot.

If my take bares any accuracy, the DPD is in deep sheet. If I were living in Dtown, this event would be the defining factor thatgetsme to move out while I still can.It was mentioned in this story (whichattempts to victimize the police and justify their over-aggression) that the DPD recently lost an officer in a shoot-out. They are NOT the victims here!! They signed up for a life that has a high probability of danger and risk, and they did so willingly. The sleeping 7yr old didn't sign up for a dangerous life and she was killed by a team of police who are basically trying to cover their collective asses by saying "we just lost an officer so we're employing dangerous tactics and excessive force to help keep us from losing another". Too bad these tactics and uses of force are detrimental to the safety of the citizenry.. oh well, right?

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^^^^^

Yeah, that.

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Excellent post, hopnpop!

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kryptonian wrote:

bossbart wrote:

If what Feiger said today at a news conference is true then DPD is trying to cover something up, I wouldn't think he would say this if he didn't have solid proof. Makes u wonder

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if the grandmother ignored lawful orders of uniformed (raid jacketed) officers and resisted causing physical contact with the officer when the gun discharged then she can share some blame.

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I don't understand how anyone (much less a "grandmother") could be expected to follow any order or direction immediately after having a flashbang go off in the same room.

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It's probably not that relevent, but everyone keeps putting quotations around "grandma" and indicating that she's some frail, elderly lady.... this"grandma" is only 46 yrs old,contrary to any mental images of the "Where's the beef?" lady.... Just a note...

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hopnpop wrote:

It's probably not that relevent, but everyone keeps putting quotations around "grandma" and indicating that she's some frail, elderly lady.... this"grandma" is only 46 yrs old,contrary to any mental images of the "Where's the beef?" lady.... Just a note...

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I can't seea grandma not being confrontational towards violent home invaders like the DPD. My impression of mostolder black women, like grandmothers, is that you better respect or be prepared for a good a$$ chewing at the minimum,lol. I'm not stereotyping, just stating my experience's from growing up.

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I was only clarifying what might have been incorrect depictions of the grandma. It's not a defense by any means. Some have made comments about how much of a threat could this "granny" be? Simply, envisioning a 46 yr old woman, regardless of color, in that situation...the word "granny" or even "grandma" wouldn't cross my mind. That's not the mental image I get when I hear the word "grandma". Indeed I imagine she was probably a handful.

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CoonDog wrote:

Excellent post, hopnpop!

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I triple that sentiment.

On another note I have wondered: What at least happened to using Less than Lethal shotgun ammo for no-knock warrants like the 12-Ga door breaching rounds to open the door and rubber slugs/bean bags for those who are resisting arrest.

A shooting wasn't warranted in this case at all, but if it had occurred with LTL ammo all should have walked away with to file an ordinary civil rights infraction but now the Swat officers have a wrongful death shooting to deal with.

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smellslikemichigan wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/WorldNews/detroit-police-covered-aiyanna-jones-died-raid-attorney/story?id=10677976

here's what feiger said

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where can i see the 48 hours cops vidio of this raid??

link? anyone?

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I don't think the video has been released and I would think that it probably won't be released at least until the trial(s) is/are over. I wish I would've clicked on 'smellslikemichigan's link and watched that video before today. Fieger goes into detail about the chronology in which the incident took place and he spells it out that there was one shot fired, from outside the home, which killed Aiyanna. He also goes into great detail about the pre-raid surveillence and the police being repeatedly warned that there were children in the home. And according to his statement, they didn't even have a warrant for the location where the subject of the warrant was staying. Sure looks like DPD's over their heads in this one. Just one screw-up after another.... Shame.

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Additional info released today:

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100601/METRO01/6010374/Fieger--Aiyana-shot-through-head


Looks like the officer and the City of Detroit are in deep doo-doo.

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Here's the thing. An innocent 7 year old child is dead. She was killed by someone acting with reckless abandon and gross negligence and disregard for human life. That is called voluntary manslaugher. This cop belongs in jail for 10 years and the family will become Detroit's next millionaires. But the child will still be dead. The Stormtroopers will have a hard time changing that fact. If not for their stupidity, cowardice and reckless conduct, she would still be alive. And I don't give a shit about how old the grandmother was or what a "nice guy" the cop who gunned her down is.

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+1 Gunslinger

On top of all the other inept actions of these thugs...again... it was a wrong address..no knock attack on innocent citizens.

I hope the socialist red stars emitting from the DPD turn into ten digit dollars signs for the family. Money never replaces a lost life but I hope it bankrupts the city of Detroit.

JMO

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WARCHILD wrote:

+1 Gunslinger

On top of all the other inept actions of these thugs...again... it was a wrong address..no knock attack on innocent citizens.

I hope the socialist red stars emitting from the DPD turn into ten digit dollars signs for the family. Money never replaces a lost life but I hope it bankrupts the city of Detroit.

JMO

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you said 10 digits,did you mean 10 dollars?? i think thats all detroit has.

in all seriousness,i hope the officer is charged and convicted because of the actions he/she made,and that the family will never have to work a day again,and live away from detroit.

like everyone says,money cant replace a life,but it sends a message to those whom do wrong against the innocent,and helps the family lead a better life.