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McX
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rak, the problem is obvious; you go out walking your dogs wearing a black t-shirt, and strutting!
rak, the problem is obvious; you go out walking your dogs wearing a black t-shirt, and strutting!
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Harassed This Morning While Walking My Dogs
- Thread starter rcawdor57
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rcawdor57
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McX wrote:
Anyway, see you today at 1 pm....same bat channel, same bat time!:dude:
McX wrote:
LOL! This morning is HOT so instead of my "struttin hot black shirt with full black face mask" I am in shorts and a tee shirt. I am glad it is warming up! My garden loves the sun and yesterday I transplanted three dozen plants...all doing well!rak, the problem is obvious; you go out walking your dogs wearing a black t-shirt, and strutting!
Anyway, see you today at 1 pm....same bat channel, same bat time!:dude:
ChinChin
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When I get people who tell me I'm not allowed to carry or that it's "against the law" I tell them they're flat-out wrong, that I've researched the law backwards and forwards but to go ahead and call the police and we would see who is right. I had one entitlement based haughty Soccer mom whip out her cell phone and actually follow me, giving 911 (I assume) a running dialog on what I was doing. after 4 minutes or so I see her throw her cell phone against the dashboard and peel out. I laughed so hard that she gave me the one finger salute out the window as she was waiting to turn, which made me laugh even harder.
I saw her again in the local Starbucks (I was still open carrying) and asked her how her 911 call went and if she believed me yet? Another round of soccer mom entitlement min-van ranting ensued.
Moral of the story. . .don't even bother trying to enlighten the entitlement base who are convinced open carry or ANYTHING else is 100% legal as their puny entitlement brain can't fathom they could possibly be mistaken. When they call the police and they show up I've heard instances where they'll tell the police they're mistaken and even looking at the lawbook cite. . .nothing.
When I get people who tell me I'm not allowed to carry or that it's "against the law" I tell them they're flat-out wrong, that I've researched the law backwards and forwards but to go ahead and call the police and we would see who is right. I had one entitlement based haughty Soccer mom whip out her cell phone and actually follow me, giving 911 (I assume) a running dialog on what I was doing. after 4 minutes or so I see her throw her cell phone against the dashboard and peel out. I laughed so hard that she gave me the one finger salute out the window as she was waiting to turn, which made me laugh even harder.
I saw her again in the local Starbucks (I was still open carrying) and asked her how her 911 call went and if she believed me yet? Another round of soccer mom entitlement min-van ranting ensued.
Moral of the story. . .don't even bother trying to enlighten the entitlement base who are convinced open carry or ANYTHING else is 100% legal as their puny entitlement brain can't fathom they could possibly be mistaken. When they call the police and they show up I've heard instances where they'll tell the police they're mistaken and even looking at the lawbook cite. . .nothing.
1911forme
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Good point. Just ignore them unless they get stupid and leave you no choice!
Good point. Just ignore them unless they get stupid and leave you no choice!
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McX
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well, for our coffee meet, i plan to wear a black t-shirt, and do a west coast strutt that is sweet as molasses, but what realy knock them out is my cheap sunglasses.
well, for our coffee meet, i plan to wear a black t-shirt, and do a west coast strutt that is sweet as molasses, but what realy knock them out is my cheap sunglasses.
rcawdor57
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ChinChin wrote:
ChinChin wrote:
Wow. That happened in Virginia. That is really messed up. Here in Wisconsin most people are not used to seeing anyone but cops with a gun in a holster. We have to be the best ambassadors we can so we don't frighten the sheeple. This story here was not actually about open carry but about an idjut harassing me because my dogs pooped during their morning walk. I immediately picked it up and bagged it and dropped it in my jacket pocket. This idjut hops in his minivan and comes flying up to me, rolls the window down and tells me "That is illegal". I thought he meant my firearm but instead he meant the dog poop. Anyway, so I have the episode on video in HD and have been thinking of just posting it on youtube. One would think that people have better things to do than harass someone for not doing anything illegal.:exclaim:
rcawdor57
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McX wrote:
LOL! Well, I wish I could wear my sunglasses. I have prescription glasses now (getting old!) and they have the sun glass feature (whatever that is called) and turn dark when in bright light. Problem is they are not good enough for bright light and my eyes water (light sensitive eyes from way too many years under water) and once I get inside the glasses take about 5 minutes to change back so I can see in low light conditions.
Anyway, I hope more of us make it today!
McX wrote:
well, for our coffee meet, i plan to wear a black t-shirt, and do a west coast strutt that is sweet as molasses, but what realy knock them out is my cheap sunglasses.
LOL! Well, I wish I could wear my sunglasses. I have prescription glasses now (getting old!) and they have the sun glass feature (whatever that is called) and turn dark when in bright light. Problem is they are not good enough for bright light and my eyes water (light sensitive eyes from way too many years under water) and once I get inside the glasses take about 5 minutes to change back so I can see in low light conditions.
Anyway, I hope more of us make it today!
Nutczak
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rcawdor57 wrote:
Police cannot "Legally" arrest a person solely on a statement of a witness. I believe that is covered in Terry V. Ohio.
rcawdor57 wrote:
That is a great example of why you never let the police do a search, and this guy should have never been arrested because the police had zero evidence that would corroborate the callers tale.
Police cannot "Legally" arrest a person solely on a statement of a witness. I believe that is covered in Terry V. Ohio.
rcawdor57
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Nutczak wrote:
I have to disagree a bit. I know a man personally who was arrested because a 13 y.o. girl told her mother that he molested her. He was arrested on the spot, taken to jail, charged, etc....spent 3 months in jail, bonded out, two years of hearings and a trial and found....not guilty. Cost him $40K, lost his job, his house, his car, credit destroyed, etc.
Heck, we have a school teacher here at Indian Trail Academy who has been arrested, charged and in court now for the same thing I mentioned above. Is he guilty? IDK but it was one person's word against another.
I do agree, never let them search! I saw an episode of COPS a few years back where they arrested this guy because he had a extension nozzle from a WD-40 can on the front seat of his truck. Charge? Drug paraphernalia. So, don't let them search!
Nutczak wrote:
I have to disagree a bit. I know a man personally who was arrested because a 13 y.o. girl told her mother that he molested her. He was arrested on the spot, taken to jail, charged, etc....spent 3 months in jail, bonded out, two years of hearings and a trial and found....not guilty. Cost him $40K, lost his job, his house, his car, credit destroyed, etc.
Heck, we have a school teacher here at Indian Trail Academy who has been arrested, charged and in court now for the same thing I mentioned above. Is he guilty? IDK but it was one person's word against another.
I do agree, never let them search! I saw an episode of COPS a few years back where they arrested this guy because he had a extension nozzle from a WD-40 can on the front seat of his truck. Charge? Drug paraphernalia. So, don't let them search!
paul@paul-fisher.com
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rcawdor57 wrote:
I was just a jury foreman on a case EXACTLY like that! The prosecutions case was laughable.
rcawdor57 wrote:
I was just a jury foreman on a case EXACTLY like that! The prosecutions case was laughable.
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McX
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since this doesn't realy fit into a category, i thought i'd make mention of it here, and ask for opinions and input. Yesterday; i get home, and the kids come trooping in one by one, bringing their friends with them. some time goes by, and some guy shows up at my door; father of one of the kids. it seems that junior was grounded, and snuck over to our house. ofcourse, when called and asked by the father, my kid covered for his buddy; no he ain't here. so now i got an angry dad at my door. i know nothing about what is going on. i answer the door, the guy holds the screen door open, but doesn't want to come in. we assembled the envolved parties, and get to the truth. i can tell this kid's dad is realy mad. so i tell him; you speak with yours, and i'll speak with mine. i then extend my hand, and offer him a handshake, while thanking him for coming over, and calling my attention to this; the chump grabs my hand, wrenches my arm, and does one of these 'power shakes', hurting me in the process. i think it's time i start answering the door with my gun tucked in my waist band, and advising my 'government' of my plan. thoughts and opinions? i felt like i was assaulted, in my own home no less!
since this doesn't realy fit into a category, i thought i'd make mention of it here, and ask for opinions and input. Yesterday; i get home, and the kids come trooping in one by one, bringing their friends with them. some time goes by, and some guy shows up at my door; father of one of the kids. it seems that junior was grounded, and snuck over to our house. ofcourse, when called and asked by the father, my kid covered for his buddy; no he ain't here. so now i got an angry dad at my door. i know nothing about what is going on. i answer the door, the guy holds the screen door open, but doesn't want to come in. we assembled the envolved parties, and get to the truth. i can tell this kid's dad is realy mad. so i tell him; you speak with yours, and i'll speak with mine. i then extend my hand, and offer him a handshake, while thanking him for coming over, and calling my attention to this; the chump grabs my hand, wrenches my arm, and does one of these 'power shakes', hurting me in the process. i think it's time i start answering the door with my gun tucked in my waist band, and advising my 'government' of my plan. thoughts and opinions? i felt like i was assaulted, in my own home no less!
AaronS
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I put my firearm on when I put my belt on. So I answer the door "loaded". My neaghborhood is going down hill, and I think it a good idea to carry at home. I don't know if this would have helped you, but I don't think it would have hurt.
Ya know, the story makes me miss being a kid...
I put my firearm on when I put my belt on. So I answer the door "loaded". My neaghborhood is going down hill, and I think it a good idea to carry at home. I don't know if this would have helped you, but I don't think it would have hurt.
Ya know, the story makes me miss being a kid...
rcawdor57
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McX wrote:.
As for shaking his hand? I think it would depend on the person at the door. If he was still an angry S.O.B. I would not extend my hand to him. From your description it sounded like the guy blamed you for his kid being there and there may be more underlying problems with that family than meets the eye. As the robot would say "Danger Will Robinson, Danger!"
Not sure what you mean by "advising my government of my plan"?? Maybe a sign on your front door stating "This is an armed home"?
McX wrote:
I think wearing your sidearm in your home is absolutely the best thing to do. I wear mine in my home at all times except when sleeping, showering, etc.... I have answered the door quite a few times wearing my G36 and usually no one notices. Back on track...my opinion is NEVER let anyone in your home that you are not familiar with, especially an angry person. Keep them outside and I suggest you stay INSIDE during an event like this (which I think you did :idea
. As for shaking his hand? I think it would depend on the person at the door. If he was still an angry S.O.B. I would not extend my hand to him. From your description it sounded like the guy blamed you for his kid being there and there may be more underlying problems with that family than meets the eye. As the robot would say "Danger Will Robinson, Danger!"
Not sure what you mean by "advising my government of my plan"?? Maybe a sign on your front door stating "This is an armed home"?
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McX
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the event surprised the hell out of me, the guy realy twisted my arm, and it still hurts today. which isn't funny since i count on my arms, and attached hands to make a living. i have to wonder; what's with this power handshake crap?! handshakes are supposed to be a greeting, not a power struggle. injuring or inflicting pain on someone isn't a handshake to me. and doing it on my own property ain't too cool either. taking his anger out on me, on my property ain't too cool either. kids are kids, and you have to take what they do with a grain of salt. my government, is my wife. but, yes, i am reevaluating my door answering policy.
the event surprised the hell out of me, the guy realy twisted my arm, and it still hurts today. which isn't funny since i count on my arms, and attached hands to make a living. i have to wonder; what's with this power handshake crap?! handshakes are supposed to be a greeting, not a power struggle. injuring or inflicting pain on someone isn't a handshake to me. and doing it on my own property ain't too cool either. taking his anger out on me, on my property ain't too cool either. kids are kids, and you have to take what they do with a grain of salt. my government, is my wife. but, yes, i am reevaluating my door answering policy.
Master Doug Huffman
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There are more testosterone poisoned people in this world than our correspondents here.
There are more testosterone poisoned people in this world than our correspondents here.
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i agree doug. and what i find interesting is for the most part open carriers i have found to be thoughtful, compliant, good citizens, with an accepting and friendly attitude. guess that's why the rest aren't oc-ers huh?
i agree doug. and what i find interesting is for the most part open carriers i have found to be thoughtful, compliant, good citizens, with an accepting and friendly attitude. guess that's why the rest aren't oc-ers huh?
rcawdor57
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Ah...I forgot about your wife!
Well, I think if you had been armed he would not have been such an ogre. But, who knows? He may have gone off the deep end after seeing your firearm?!
Ah...I forgot about your wife!
Well, I think if you had been armed he would not have been such an ogre. But, who knows? He may have gone off the deep end after seeing your firearm?!
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I wear my gun at home all day long. Goes on in the morning and comes off at night. My wife asked me one day why I wear it at home and I answered "if I need it, I know where it is and if it is in my holster I know one of the kids isn't fiddling with it." She appreciated that answer.
I find it does tend to be a silent moderator when things could possibly become intense during incidents like the one you described. My guess is you either would have gotten a more polite handshake or none at all. Sounds like either would have been better.
I wear my gun at home all day long. Goes on in the morning and comes off at night. My wife asked me one day why I wear it at home and I answered "if I need it, I know where it is and if it is in my holster I know one of the kids isn't fiddling with it." She appreciated that answer.
I find it does tend to be a silent moderator when things could possibly become intense during incidents like the one you described. My guess is you either would have gotten a more polite handshake or none at all. Sounds like either would have been better.
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silent moderator. one of the best phrases i have ever heard. yeah, coulda skipped the handshake. no good deed goes unpunished.
silent moderator. one of the best phrases i have ever heard. yeah, coulda skipped the handshake. no good deed goes unpunished.
rcawdor57
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This morning I finally ran into the guy that harassed me a few weeks ago. As I am walking my dogs towards his house (facing his house from across the street on a sidewalk) he comes out wearing...get this, full length pajamas. Weird. Anyway, I pull the Kenosha ordinance out of my pocket and ask him if he would like to see what the law is. He said he knew what it was. I read the part to him (still across the street) loudly about picking up the poop and that it was legal as long as it is immediately picked up. I then asked him if he wanted my copy and he said "I got it". I then told him if he harassed me again I would file a criminal complaint against him for harassment. He didn't say a word and just turned and went back in his house.
All recorded on video with my Creative Vado.:exclaim:
This morning I finally ran into the guy that harassed me a few weeks ago. As I am walking my dogs towards his house (facing his house from across the street on a sidewalk) he comes out wearing...get this, full length pajamas. Weird. Anyway, I pull the Kenosha ordinance out of my pocket and ask him if he would like to see what the law is. He said he knew what it was. I read the part to him (still across the street) loudly about picking up the poop and that it was legal as long as it is immediately picked up. I then asked him if he wanted my copy and he said "I got it". I then told him if he harassed me again I would file a criminal complaint against him for harassment. He didn't say a word and just turned and went back in his house.
All recorded on video with my Creative Vado.:exclaim: